All right. Well, good morning, everybody. My name is Nate. I get to be one of the pastors here. That was, I think, maybe the loudest I've ever heard you guys worship, and I think that is wonderful. What a good morning. And listen, the week after preaching a sermon on politics, I did not expect there to be zero empty seats in the room. I thought maybe we'd thin the herd a little bit, but you guys are back to more, which is why this week I'm gonna tell you who I'm gonna vote for and why you should too. I do have, I do need to say something to my NC State fans, friends. Last week, you know, I started out, I said, mean thing. And Phil, our head usher, he's back there. He's not nice. He came up to me in the lobby and he said, so what was that funny little joke you made last week? I said, I don't remember, Phil. I don't know. It slips my brain. But congratulations, NC State, on your overtime victory over a 14 seed. We'll look forward to next weekend. This is our second part in unity. We are unified in our laughter at NC State. Isn't this wonderful? This is, I'm sorry, I'm done. I'm done, I'm sorry. I'm a Georgia Tech fan, okay? I got nothing. Absolutely nothing. Thank you, Easley. Do I have to preach still? What's happening? All right. So this is part two of the Unity Sermon, and we're pulling this out of John chapter 17 as we've been going this spring through the Upper Room Discourse found in John chapters 13 through 17. They're the final words or final thoughts of Christ to his disciples before he's arrested and tried and buried and rises again on the third day. And we get to come back next week and celebrate Easter. A quick word about the Good Friday service. It's just the second time that we've done it since I've been here. But Aaron and I have worked on how to format it. It looks a little bit different than a normal service. The whole idea of it is to let the weight of the crucifixion and the sacrifice rest on us so that we're spiritually prepared to celebrate on Sunday the greatest holiday of the year. So I hope that you can make it to that. So we looked at the prayer last week, and we acknowledge it's called the high priestly prayer because Jesus is praying over the disciples before he dies and ascends into heaven about 43 days from then. And they're the ones that are left with the keys of the kingdom. They're the first group of pastors and elders to oversee the church. And as he's praying for them, Jesus also prays for us. So I want to remind you of those verses this week found in John chapter 17. We're just going to look at verse 20 and 21 this week. Jesus prays this, my prayer is not for them alone, meaning I'm not praying God just for the disciples. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message. So that's you and I, that's the church, anybody who believes in the work of Christ. And I made the point last week that unity is Jesus' biggest priority for his church. Last week I said it was his only petition in that prayer for us. But this week, the way to think about it is unity, according to this prayer, is Jesus' biggest priority for his church. And when I say church, I mean Big C Church. I mean all the Christians who have ever lived, no matter our denomination, no matter our background, Big C Church, unity is a huge priority for Jesus. And I questioned last week why it's not a bigger priority for worldwide Christians. And I know it's not a huge priority because we have so many denominations, and we're going to get into that in a little bit. But we take, I take Jesus's petition for unity amongst the believers very, very seriously. And because of that, last week we said, let's look at the biggest threats to that unity. And so last week we acknowledged that in the United States in 2024, the climate is so divisive, it's begun to sneak into the church, that politics, our political leanings and persuasions, can sometimes allow us to separate or judge the faith of other believers, if they don't have the politics that we do, and how that is disunifying. That's not good for the church. The other thing I mentioned last week that would seek to divide us is our beliefs. What we believe about all the things. Because in theology, in Christendom, there's some things that you would consider primary issues. The deity of Christ, the sonship of Jesus, the Trinity, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, the nature of sin, the doctrine of salvation. These things are primary issues. But there's other things that are secondary or even tertiary issues. What do we believe about baptism? What do we believe about communion and what we should do? What's our policy on church discipline? What does it mean to be ordained? What does it mean to be a church member somewhere? All these things are secondary and tertiary issues about which the body of Christ does not agree. And thinking about all of that and Jesus' call for unity, I was able to take a trip in February. In February, well, at the end of last year, I reached out to an old acquaintance of mine. This guy has a pretty unique story. His name is Brad, and Brad is a genius. Not like, that dude's a genius. Like, no, legit genius. And he went to the Air Force Academy and got a master's degree in aerospace engineering. He was literally a rocket scientist. He showed me the title of his thesis, his master's thesis. I understand two words in it. And he grew up with the Southern Baptist, loosely associated with Southern Baptist. And then in college, kind of found his way into the Episcopal Church. And then in the time in his service in Colorado, he joined the church, is what it's called when you become a Catholic. He joined the church. He converted to Catholicism. And in that, he decided to pursue being a priest. So he left the Air Force as a captain, and he went to school at the Vatican, and he went to school for like seven or eight more years and became a priest. And now he's a priest and a pastor in a parish in Birmingham, Alabama. And because of his spiritual journey, because of how thoughtful and well-read and intelligent he is, I wanted to talk to him. Because I just wanted to hear what he thought, and I understand his story and everything that went into it. So I reached out to him after having not spoken with him in at least a decade. And he was very gracious and he welcomed me. And one Friday in February, we sat at his house for nine hours and talked. And it was a good, fruitful conversation. He was an incredibly gracious host. And I was so grateful for his time because he's far more educated than me. But there was a part of the conversation that Brad and I had that really did make me pretty sad. He's, I don't know the title of it, but within his diocese district, he's the representative of the Catholic priests in this effort to unify with and learn from the other denominations. So he sits on a council with a Methodist person, Baptist person, Presbyterian person, Catholic person, and they kind of come together and try to find ways that they can work together as faith and be unified together. And I think that's wonderful. And because I knew that I had this sermon coming up and because I had been thinking about this idea of unity, I asked him specifically about that and what he had learned in his time doing that. And in that conversation, he told me that he was actually pretty excited recently because the Catholic Church was getting very close to achieving unification with the Anglican Church. The Anglican Church is the Catholic church in England that broke off from the Catholics years ago for, you know, reasons that we don't need to get into right now, students of history. And he said that they were very close to achieving unity, but that right before they actually unified, that the Anglicans shifted their views on a couple things, on views of women in ministry and a couple other secondary, tertiary issues. And so they couldn't unify. And I said, well, what does it mean to you to be unified with the Anglican Church? And he said, well, it means that a Catholic priest could give Anglican Mass and that an Anglican priest could give Catholic Mass and celebrate the Eucharist together, take communion together. And I said, well, can't you just not agree on a couple of those secondary issues and still agree in the personal work of Christ and celebrate communion together? And he said, no, it doesn't work like that. I said, why not? And he said, well, because in my understanding, to take communion with someone, implicit in that is that you agree about everything with them. You have shared beliefs in common, and that's part of what makes it so powerful. And I said, well, if you've got two entities that are seeking unity, but they have differing beliefs, then one of those two entities is going to have to leave their beliefs at the door to be able to get under the same umbrella. And he said, yeah, that's right. And I said, well, whose responsibility is that? And he eloquently and thoughtfully said, not ours. That's a more basic version of what he said. He used a lot more words. But he basically said, when people are ready to shift to the way that we think about things, then we'll be unified. And listen, I want to be very careful here. As I said, Brad was a wonderful and gracious host. We talked about a lot of very interesting things, and I learned a ton. And he is one voice in the Catholic Church. I'm very aware that I could talk to myriad other Catholic priests, and the conversation could have gone a bunch of different ways. So I don't think that he speaks for all of Catholicism, but this is what he said in our conversation. And it just made me very sad that that was the standard for unity. And so I said, well, could you take communion in my church? If you happen to be visiting on a weekend and you came on a Sunday where we were having communion, could you partake in communion with us? And he said, no, that would be scandalous. Yeah, that's what I said. Gosh. And I said, okay, why is that? And he said, well, do you guys believe, and there's a doctrine in the Catholic faith and in some other areas of Christianity called transubstantiation. It's the belief that when you partake in communion that the bread and the juice or the wine becomes the literal physical body of Christ in your body. It's something that they hold to. And that's fine. We don't hold to that. And so he said, do you believe in that? And I said, no. And he goes, well, then we couldn't because we don't have all the same shared beliefs. And that would be pretty scandalous of me to do that as a priest. I said, okay. I said, what if the elders and I sat down and we changed all of our beliefs and we got right in line with what Catholicism teaches about communion? Could you then participate with us in that communion? And he said, would that communion be administered to me by a priest who's under the authority of a bishop who's under the authority of the pope? And I said, no, it would just be me, and I'm under the authority of Brad. So that's all you're getting. And he said, no, I could not. I could not do that. And my account was just kind of sunk. And he said, you're quiet. I said, yeah, it just makes me really sad that someone who loves Jesus as much as you do would feel like you're not welcome to take communion at my church. It makes me sad to think that anybody who believes in the work of Christ, that he is who he says he is, that he did what he said he did, that he's going to do what he says he's going to do, it makes me sad that anybody who believes that would feel not welcome or out of place to take communion here with us. And so, reflecting on that conversation, on what that bar is for unity, that we have to believe all the same things, I remembered something that I said offhand in a sermon in January. And that when I said it, I thought, oh, that hasn't come out of my mouth before. Let me think about that some. And it's kind of been rattling around in my brain ever since. And I thought about it on the flight home from Birmingham. It's just this idea. We can never be obedient to the high priestly prayer if we insist on a homogeny of doctrinal thought. We can never be church, never ever be, not in these walls or in the big church. We will never be obedient to Jesus' high priestly prayer of being one as he and the Father are one if we insist on a unanimous belief about all the things on a homogeny of doctrinal thought across every church, on the whole world, on the whole planet that's ever existed, we have to agree on primary, secondary, tertiary ideas. We just, if that's the level, if that's the standard, then we just can't achieve unity. And to help us think about this, I wanted to bring up the whiteboard and do a little exercise with you guys. Plus, it's been a little while since I did the whiteboard, and it's time. It's time to do the whiteboard. Thank you, Harris. Last time we did this, thank you, sir, on a communion Sunday, while I was praying, they carried the whiteboard off the stage, ran it into the TV, and then knocked the wine glass off the table and chattered during the prayer. So we're looking for redemption this time around. It's going to go much, much better. But to help us think about what unity in the church could actually look like, and to think about what I think is the impossible task of bringing everybody under the umbrella in the same agreement about all the things. I want to do this exercise with you. This exercise, actually, believe it or not, the first time this thought occurred to me, what I'm about to share with you, changed my spiritual life because I began to look in more places for beauty, and it breathed wind into my sails, and so I hope that maybe it can do that for some of us this morning. But I want to think of all of Christendom in a pie chart. I know that's a terrible circle. And I know that those of you in the back can't see, but you're going to get the point. That's actually not that terrible a circle. I'm not ashamed of that at all. That's pretty good. And so this is all of Christendom. This is all the Christians currently alive. If we think about how they divide up into what denominations, let's say that this is roughly Catholic. That's a big chunk. We know that's a big chunk worldwide Catholic. There's a lot of them. Then let's make a sliver for Anglican. Then let's make a sliver for Orthodoxy. Then let's make a sliver for Orthodoxy. And then let's make a sliver for kind of Desert Fathers Asian Orthodoxy. So we're going to, that's what those are. Okay, and then that leaves us a lot of space for the Protestants. Okay, this big, big Protestant. And this is only,, it actually should be more like this. I did actually research this, but then I thought I'm not going to refer back to a paper and try to draw a perfect pie chart. I think you guys can get the gist of it. So then you've got the Protestant faith, but within the Protestant faith, so let's say you've got Baptists, okay? That's one. And within the Protestant faith in America, that's the biggest chunk. But then you've also got Presbyterians, okay? You've got Methodists, you've got Lutherans, and then you've got like Church of Christ, you've got Pentecostals, Holiness Movement, and then you start to really like subdivide, non-denominational, inter-denominational, all the smaller percentages, whatever we're missing. So this is what worldwide Christendom looks like. But we're not done there because each of these slivers has their own sliver. It's important that you see this faith and get it exactly right. She's like leaning past me, I'm sorry. So even within Catholicism, and I don't know them all, but there's like, you know, the Jesuits and then there's the Franciscans and then there's other orders of monks and things like that where the beliefs are just a little bit different in there. And then each of these slivers, like the Presbyterian sliver, PCUSA, there's been a divide in the Methodist sliver. There's been a divide, like they kind of break off and do the different things. And for my background, where I grew up, you have Southern Baptist is one sliver, but then you've got Independent Baptist, Primitive Baptist, American Baptist, and on and on with the Baptists. That's just inside the Baptists. So there's really a lot of slivers. Then here's what occurred to me. This, in the whole pie chart of Christendom, this red right here, that's my sliver. That's where I grew up. Each of us was born into or saved into a sliver. Each of us was born into or saved into a piece of this pie. And here's what happens when you're inside your piece of the pie. Okay? Now, if you can't relate to this, you did not grow up in church. This is my piece of the pie. And when I was growing up, when I was in school, when I was in seminary, we thought this sliver right here, gosh, I'm so lucky we have cornered the market on right. We're so good. We've nailed all the theology. Isn't that good for us? Listen, I would have never, when I was 20 years old, I would have never dreamed of taking over a church with a Presbyterian background unless it was to reform each and every one of you. Which my plan is slowly working. We thought people outside, like other Protestants, like in this area, they're probably okay. They're probably Christians. I can remember having conversations in church circles. Hey man, do you think Catholics are really Christians? And do you know what the answer was? A dead serious. You know, I think some of them probably do have a genuine faith. I think some of them probably can be Christians. What? You know what I found out that some groups of Catholics call Protestant Christians? Separated brothers and sisters. How generous of you. That's okay. Jews call you God's stepchildren. And so you begin to think that what's inside your sliver is the most right of all the slivers. And everything else outside of that can't be right. They're all wrong about different things. I was doing this one time with somebody and I showed them this and I jokingly said, well, you know, they're too liberal and they're too liberal. They shouldn't even be in the pie chart. And they go, I agree with you. And I was like, ooh, that's not the point of what we're talking about. I grew up thinking all the right answers for all the things, all the beliefs, but all the secondary and tertiary issues existed in my sliver that we had cornered the market on right. And somewhere in 2020, I realized that I had been doing this my whole life. And I realized how ungracious that was. And what I realized is, each one of these slivers, every single one of them, has beauty to offer us, has wisdom to offer us. I don't know which sliver you grew up in or were saved into. And when I say saved into, what I mean is, if you became a Christian later in life and then you started going to church, that particular church begins to inculcate you with their theology and all the history and everything that's gone into it. And you might not know it, but that's a theology that you've now kind of been saved into because that's going to be the background that you get. And about four years ago, I made the decision to start learning from other backgrounds and I found so much beauty there. Last year I had sabbatical in July and one of the things I did is I went to other churches. So I was thinking about change and and I made, I made the decision to go to one church that was way more conservative than I've ever been or would ever be. And I made a decision to go to another church that was way more liberal than I've ever been and than I think I'll ever be. And I went to the conservative church and I had a terrible attitude. I was judging everything. This is stupid. That's dumb. Oh, yeah, shocker, just men ushering. Yeah, I get it. And I'm just kind of going through the checklist in my head, right? And at the end of the service, the band got back up to play, and I saw something really cool. As the church was worshiping together, there was about 500 or 600 people in this room in the middle of July. And I looked around the room, and there was a ton of teenagers. I saw a bunch of three-generation families, grandparents sitting with grandbabies and kids. And I watched these people raise their hand in worship. And I listened to them, and their worship was boisterous and exuberant. And I thought, shame on you, man. Shame on you. This doesn't need to be for you. But it's for them. And it works for them. There's beautiful things here. And these people are getting closer to Jesus as a result of their involvement here. You need to support things like this. And I saw beauty there that day. Then a week or two later, I went to another church down the road, far more liberal than I am. And I expected to go in there and just kind of get some feel-good nonsense, you know, because of liberals. And what I found was a people who had a deep appreciation of God's Word. They honored it. The homily was so good and so thought-provoking that I had lunch with that pastor two or three more times after that because I had questions for him. And I learned some things from them. And we have and can find beauty in all these things. I know I've inadvertently and hopefully not disrespectfully picked on Catholicism a little bit, but I will tell you this. For 1,500 years, they were the watchers on the wall. There is no church without the Catholic Church. They were the ones who watched the things through all the years until the Great Reformation. They are the theological shoulders on which we stand. And even if you've never stepped foot in a Catholic church, we have a great deal sitting here in an interdenominational church in 2024 to be grateful for to our Catholic brothers and sisters. We learn liturgy from the churches of the apostles, from the Presbyterians, and from the Lutherans. We learn high church and sacred spaces from our Presbyterian brothers and sisters. We learn low church and church polity and church governance from our Baptist brothers and sisters. We learn about the spirit from our courageous Pentecostal brothers and sisters. There is beauty to be found in each one of these slivers. Except the church, historically, has done this. Rather than looking for beauty, we often look for battles. Rather than look for beauty, we often look for battles. And we want to tell other Christians why they're not Christians anymore. There's an article that came out this year that a president of a seminary wrote about one of the most famous, helpful pastors in the country. And he said, yep, this was inevitable. So-and-so has shipped off from Christianity. They have lost their faith. Why does he get to declare that? We want to pick these battles. We want to tear down other Christians for not being Christian enough. And I can't help but wonder what that must look like to a watching world when an entire denomination of people has a huge conference to decide whether or not women can be in ministry. And because they decided they can't be in authority in churches, several big churches get kicked out. And now their pastors are on CNN asking why they got kicked out. And the world is watching this. And is it any wonder why people who don't go to church look at church in our culture and go, I don't want anything to do with that. They can't even be nice to themselves. This is why Jesus says, he prays for our unity. Why? So that the world may believe. Because a disunified church looking for battles, looking to pick on things with one another, looking to get into theological arguments and make you believe everything the way I believe it and get under our umbrella or we can't be unified turns off a watching world. Which is why one of the reasons I love grace so much. I was joking around with Aaron Winston, our children's pastor, when I was thinking about this sermon, that grace is like the Statue of Liberty of churches. Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses. We'll take all flavors. We have somebody from almost every mainline denomination in this thing. We are very well represented. And one of the things that I learned in taking the job is we are not non-denominational, as if these things don't exist and don't matter. We are intra-denominational. We are people who are determined to remain in unity and in fellowship together despite a lack of unanimous agreement about all the things. And that is to our good that serves us. And this ethic of being a church that does not insist on a homogeny of doctrinal thought predates me. This is what the founding members laid out. This is the statement of faith that I found when I got here. It's actually on our website. I'm going to read you the first two paragraphs of the statement of faith if you'll indulge me a little bit. Now, I've reworded this because it was a little bit clunky and Presbyterian, so I had to make it flow a little bit. But this has been approved by two separate elder boards, and so I know that it is a reflection of who we are. But this is the opening two paragraphs of our statement of faith, and I want you to reflect on it in light of this idea of unity in the church. At Grace Raleigh, there is a great deal about the Christian faith that seems clear to us and foundational to all that we believe. However, there is also much of God's nature, purposes, and plans as revealed in the Bible and borne out in human history and in our lives that retains its mystery and lies beyond our full comprehension on which we don't all agree. This lack of universal agreement is acknowledged and embraced through the makeup of our church family itself. As a church, we have Presbyterian roots. While a senior pastor grew up in a Baptist context, our church body consists of almost every mainline denomination in the country. We believe this diversity strengthens us and makes us more effective as we seek to build God's kingdom on earth. Because of this, this is important, we try to be as generous as possible about where we draw lines and distinctions and allow for a variety of opinions and assertions on a variety of topics and teachings within the Christian faith. We hope to maintain a commitment to the holiness and authority of Scripture while erring on the side of grace as we apply it to our lives. That's our statement of faith. That's your church with those sensibilities. And I'm proud to be a part of a church like that, that holds things open-handedly. You know, with some degree of regularity, I'll get someone to ask me in passing conversation, in a meeting, in an email, hey, what's Grace's stance on blank? Someone asked me recently what our stance was on the rapture. I said, we don't have one of those. We never will. But I get asked that with some degree of regularity. And it's usually the same answer. I don't know what Grace's stance is on that. I don't think Grace has a stance on that. I've not seen anything written. I know what my stance is, maybe, but it's probably different than some of our elders. And I don't think I could speak for the elder board on this issue. And I would say, if it's not in our statement of faith, we do not have an opinion on that. We don't have a stance, a collective body of believers stance on that. And that's on purpose. Why? So that we can remain unified as a church. Because at Grace, we do not insist on a unanimous belief about all things. In fact, here's our goal. Here's what we seek to do. When I think about being a pastor, knowing I want to invest my life in this place for as long as the Lord will allow me to do it, this is what I dream of. And this is what the elders want to build as well. We seek to build a corner of the kingdom unified, not by a unanimous belief in all things, but by unanimous belief in the saving work of Jesus Christ. We understand. And we're not going to try to get everyone in this room and watching online and who will be here on Easter to agree about all the things. But when we take communion at grace, it doesn't mean that we agree on what communion means. It doesn't mean that we agree on how to define baptism. It doesn't mean that we agree on all the secondary and tertiary issues and all the lines that we're supposed to draw. It doesn't mean that. What it means is we have a unanimous belief in the person and work of Jesus Christ, that he is who he says he is, that he did what he said he did, that he's going to do what he says he's going to do. If you believe that, you are welcome to take communion here, and it is a show of unity to do so. And as we move forward as a church and we continue to grow as a church, we've got to maintain this as one of our guiding ethics. That's so important to us, it leads our statement of faith online. So here's what we're going to do. In a few minutes, I'm going to pray. And then Kyle's going to come up and he's going to guide us through communion. As we do that, it is a very intentional show of unity under the banner of Christ. And one of my favorite things to do is to sit right here in this front row on communion Sunday and look at all the people who walk by me and be grateful for you and marvel that you're. And wonder why you choose to listen to me sometimes. I love Communion Sunday because I get to see the body of believers. I get to see my church. And as you guys look at each other to your left and to your right, as you stand in line and you look at the other people who are taking communions and you come and you take it from the elders and you take communion yourself, know that besides you, you have brothers and sisters in Christ. And to have fellowship with you and to love you and to worship with you and to go to church with you, we don't need to believe all the things about all the things. We just need to believe in who Jesus was and what he did. And under the banner of Christ, we're going to bring as many people possible with us as we go see him. That's what we're going to do as a church. So let's let communion this morning be a thing that solidifies our unity and our commitment to one another as people under the banner of Christ who treasure the fact that we come from all these different places and all these different places have beauty to add here. Let's pray. Father, thank you so much for this morning, for the way that you love us, for the way that you care for us. God, we are sorry for the way our churches divide and break and crack. God, I pray that there would not be a spirit at grace that seeks for disunity and division, but that we would champion holding things with an open hand, that we would be a people who would learn from all the shoulders that we stand on, not just a subset of the ones that we encountered first. Lord, we lift up the other churches in Raleigh this morning and around the world who are celebrating Palm Sunday, getting ready to celebrate Easter. We pray that our voices would go up as one next Sunday morning and that heaven would delight in the praise of your people here. Lord, make us stronger as a church. Unify us under the banner of Christ, our love for him and our desire to see other people come to know him. God, we love you and we need you. And we trust you. In Jesus' name, amen.