The All right. Well, good morning. Thank you for being here. Thank you for watching online or for catching up later in the week. If you're listening to my voice later in the week and you're planning to just listen to this one in your car, this one is visual. So you might want to wait until you can watch it at home. But we're going to do the best we can to work through this whiteboard today. So I will say this up front. If you are inherently interested in the tribulation and better understanding the events of the tribulation in a concise way, then I think that you're really going to enjoy this morning. If you are not inherently interested in the events of the tribulation, this is going to be terrible. I'm just going to be upfront with you. I've accepted that. My role this morning is to inform more than it is to preach. I don't have a big spiritual point coming at the end of this. So this is not necessarily a sermon proper. This is going to feel more like class. And for a lot of us, that's okay. For some of us, it's not. For you, I'm sorry. Kyle's suggestion to you, who's on a retreat with the students, by the way, is that there's a subtle design on the back of the notes. Take a pen and just kind of trace over that design and start to color things in. That should pass the time nicely for you. Speaking of the notes, even if you're not a notes person, this is a good week to find them and grab them and take a look at them because what we have on the notes is an exact replica of what's up here. And so as I write and fill things in and add to it, you can too. If you're watching online, our great camera person, Drew Turner, is going to do the best he can to pick up what I'm putting down up here. But I also have an electronic version of this available if you want that. You can email it to me. You can email me and I'll just send you this kind of typed out. The reason we're doing it this way is to help you understand the events of the tribulation. We're spending three weeks on the tribulation because it takes up a huge portion of the book of Revelation. We see the tribulation in chapters 6 through 17 of the book of Revelation. You could argue about 18, 19 if they're part of it, not part of it, whatever. But really, the bulk of it is 6 through 17. So it's 11 chapters in the book of Revelation of God pouring out his earned wrath as he returns to reclaim what he rightfully owns. And that's what we talked about last week. Last week, we invested a whole week in explaining this wrath, how it's earned, and how really and truly when we begin to reflect on it, we want a just God who is capable of wrath. That's the God that should be sitting on the throne. And one of the things that we pointed out last week that I'll reiterate a couple of times this morning is that God's wrath is only poured out on those who don't believe God is pouring out his wrath. If you don't want to experience God's wrath, all you have to do is say, God, please don't make me experience this. And then he won't. Okay? So I don't mean to be too flippant with that, but as we move through this, because some of this stuff is pretty awful, let's just keep in mind that God's wrath is only poured out, I believe, on people who obstinately refuse to accept him as God and to admit that he is Lord of the universe and that he is the one actually pouring out this wrath. So as we approach the events of the tribulation, next week we're going to talk about the figures of the tribulation, the antichrist, the beast, the 144,000, the mark of the beast, the unholy Trinity, all that stuff that comes out of revelation that we kind of asked now, who is that? Now, what does that represent? That's next week. This week is simply the events of the tribulation. And I got, I got an email this week that was not necessarily the impetus to the sermon because I knew what this was going to do, but it was certainly telling me that I was headed in the right direction. Somebody emailed me and she said, you know, I've been reading through Revelation and I'm trying to understand it all. There's just a lot going on. There's seals and there's woes and there's trumpets and there's bowls and there's dragons and there's beasts and there's figures and there's angels. There's just a lot going on and I kind of lose track of it. Is there some sort of simple guide to help me understand how I can move through Revelation and understand the tribulation process? And I basically said, come Sunday. I'm gonna preach on that. But years ago, when I had to preach to this the first time, I dove into the research and thought, let me see what's out there to just kind of help me get a bird's eye view of what's happening in the book of Revelation. And as I dove into that research, what I realized is there's nothing out there to help. There's no resource that just says, hey, here's what happens in the tribulation. It's really, really difficult to try to piece it all out of the book and understand it in a succinct way. And listen, I spent four years in undergraduate school. Well, I spent six years in undergraduate school, but I got a four-year degree in pastoral ministries. I've studied theology. I got a master's degree in theology. And still with that training, it was difficult for me to approach scripture and understand what was happening. There was no aids out there to help me out. And so for people who have not had the opportunity to study that much theology and be trained in that way, it's got to be that much more challenging. So I thought that the most helpful thing I could do as a pastor is to kind of spell out the events of the tribulation for us and help us piece them together. So like I said, if that interests you, then you're going to like this. If it doesn't, I'm really sorry. I hope your team wins this afternoon. But let's get started. So the tribulation is broken down into these kind of three categories of items. First, the seals, then the trumpets, and then the bowls. The seals we find in Revelation chapter six. The last one we see in Revelation chapter eight, if you're following along. The trumpets we see in eight through 11, and then the bowls we see in 16. And that kind of lends itself to why it's a little bit difficult to piece all this together. Because you're reading through and the seals are coming one right after another in chapter six. You're like, all right, cool. I'm following along. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. And then after the earthquake at the end of chapter six, there's chapter seven and all this other stuff happens in chapter seven. And you're like, wait, when is this happening? Is that the last seal? No, the last seal is in chapter eight. And you read that. And then that ushers in the trumpets. And then you're reading through the trumpets and they're coming in quick succession. And then all of a sudden you get to chapter nine. And then in chapter 10, there's this vision of a dragon and a space lady and her baby. And you're going, how in the world is this following all of this? And then just randomly in chapter 11, it's like, oh yeah, the last trumpet is the temple of God. And then there's all this interlude of material from chapter 11 through chapter 15 until you get to the bowls that were opened in chapter 11, where it's other visions and things that you're seeing. So if you're just reading Revelation linearly, it's kind of difficult to pick up the events and the narrative of the tribulation. So I've isolated it for us this morning so that we can go through it together. So let's go through it, and I'm going to do the best I can to kind of address the questions I think you would have if we could be doing this one-on-one. And boy, wouldn't it be fun to do this one-on-one for an hour and a half? Yeah, I know you'd love it. All right. So the first thing we see when the seals begin to be opened, remember Jesus has stepped forward in chapters four and five, and he begins to open up the seals. He begins the process of the great tribulation, which we understand is a seven-year process. The first thing that happens is one of the cherubim, one of the angels with the four faces yells, come forth. And the first thing that comes forth is a white horse. And it says that the rider of the white horse comes conquering and to conquer. And a lot of folks think that that might be the Antichrist. A lot of folks think this rider on the white horse might be the Antichrist coming down at the beginning of the tribulation. We're going to talk more about the Antichrist and what his role is next week. But his role is basically to deceive people and make him think he's the actual Jesus and follow him away from heaven instead of towards heaven. So his role is to be a deceiver. He is a tool of Satan to pull people away from God. And so a lot of people believe that this is the Antichrist because when Jesus comes all the way over here in chapter 19, he comes on a white horse to conquer. And so a lot of scholars think that the Antichrist is imitating the Christ that's going to come later in the book of Revelation. Here's the problem. There's no textual evidence to suggest that this is the Antichrist. All right? So we just kind of think maybe. There's plenty of people out there who will write a whole book about how this is definitely the Antichrist and what it means and treat the whole rest of the tribulation as if the Antichrist is present beginning at the very beginning. But we don't know that for sure. So there's a question mark. All right? That's an important question mark. Maybe the Antichrist. Then the red horse comes. The red horse is war. The black horse is famine. And then a pale horse comes. What's the difference between a pale horse and a white horse? I don't know. Maybe it's khaki. I'm not very sure. Maybe it looks like He-Man's horse. I really have no idea. But the pale horse comes, and his rider, this is kind of cool, is death, and Hades is following with him, which sounds pretty ominous, all right? So the pale horse comes, and he brings pestilence and plague. These four horses here, you've probably heard this before. This is the most awkward thing I have to write sideways like this, are the four horsemen of the apocalypse. So if you've ever heard that phrase, this is where it comes from. Revelation chapter six. Those are the four horsemen of the apocalypse. So we'll notice that the angels are the ones that send them. So do these horses come from heaven? Possibly. Do they come from hell? Possibly. But God's angels are the ones that release them. And when they're released, the white horse comes to conquer as a precursor to the rest of them. Then the red horse comes and wars increase. And then the black horse comes and famine increases. And then the pale horse comes and pestilence and plague follows those things. And they happen, it seems, in pretty quick succession. Then we get to the fifth seal, which I talked about last week. The fifth seal is interesting in that it is not a wrathful seal. The fifth seal is the voice of the martyrs. When Jesus opens it, the voices of those below the throne of God who have been killed for his name cry out to God, when are you going to avenge our deaths? And last week we talked about how as believers in creation, we cry out with the martyrs, yeah, God, when are you going to make things right? What's interesting is that the voice of the martyrs is not wrathful. This is not God pouring out his wrath or his vengeance, which makes us think, and we're going to come back to this point. Oh, we're just getting started, man. This is getting hot and heavy, makes the point that this is probably pre-wrath, that the wrath of God hasn't really begun with the horses yet, that they're precursors to the coming wrath. And I'll tell you why we think this in a second. After this, the sixth seal ushers in an earthquake. And the description of this earthquake is incredibly ominous. And it serves as kind of a great equalizer. It's so ominous that I thought it would be worth it for us to take a second and read it together. So I'm going to read the description of the earthquake. And you guys follow along on the screen here or at home as I read, beginning in verse 12. The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and generals and the rich and the powerful and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, calling to the mountains and rocks, fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great day of their wrath has come. Who can stand? So this great earthquake comes after the four horsemen of the apocalypse and the voice of the martyrs cry out, then God answers them with a great earthquake. And earthquakes are significant in Revelation because we'll see that there's one at the end of every cycle. So the earthquake comes and it says the mountains and the islands are moved out of place. And I call it the great equalizer because kings and generals and rich and poor and slave and free are all hiding in the rocks together now. And now they are c. Then the seventh seal is opened. And when the seventh seal is opened, one of the most profound things, not in history, but in eternity happens. And if we just read Revelation, and we just read these verses without pausing to reflect on the significance of them, we can miss what's going on here. So I wanted us to read them together and then try to wrap our heads around how significant it is what's going on in heaven at the seventh seal. So in chapter 8, verses 1 through 5, this is what happens. When the Lamb opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. Then I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them. And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer. And he was given much incense to offer with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar before the throne and the smoke of the incense and the prayers of the saints rose before God from the hand of the angel. Then the angel took the censer and filled it with fire from the altar and threw it on the earth. And there were peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning, and an earthquake. We're going to talk about this in a second, in more detail. This, these seals are not yet the wrath of the Lord. The trumpets and the bowls are God pouring out his wrath. These are precursors to his wrath. This is to give us a heads up, hey, it's coming. This is God's wrath. And before God pours out his wrath in heaven, when the seventh seal is opened, heaven, who for all of eternity has been an ongoing, never-ending chorus of praise to God, has been bustling with activity, has been bustling with praise, has the angels surrounding the throne of God all time at every moment crying out, holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty who was and is and is to come. Holy, holy, holy. It's an unbroken chain of jubilant praise that doesn't go back for all of history,berly prepare for the wrath that is going to be poured out. There's silence in heaven after an unbroken chain of praise for all of eternity. As the culmination of history comes to its apex and God's wrath begins to be poured out and he begins to reclaim what is rightfully his and the wheels of eternity are set in motion. I don't think we can overemphasize how big of a deal the silence in heaven is. As heaven itself braces for the wrath that is going to be poured out on creation. There's a word in the Old Testament called Selah, which means holy pause. This is the holiest of pauses. This is the greatest Selah as we prepare for what's coming next. Because of this pause, and because of the voice of the martyrs that is not wrathful, and because of Matthew 24 and what it tells us to look for, Jesus tells the disciples, you really can't read Revelation without reading Matthew 24, So at some point during this series, you should go back and read at least that chapter to help us understand some of the things going on in Revelation. But Matthew 24 makes it pretty clear that these events are a precursor to God's wrath, that when we start to see these things, we need to start opening our eyes and our ears and looking for what could come. And so a lot of folks, a lot of scholars, this is pretty widely agreed upon, would kind of draw a line of demarcation here and say that this is the portion of the tribulation that is pre-wrath. And I know that you can't see this, but hopefully you can. The other thing is at the end of the service, we're just going to set this over there. This sounds so presumptuous for me to say this out loud. It feels weird. But if you want to take a picture of the things that I write down, you can do that. It'll be over there. You can take a picture of it, take it home with you. But this is pre-wrath. And then this, moving in this direction, is wrath. This is a precursor. This is the actual wrath of God, which also begs the question, because here in chapter 7, between the sixth and seventh seal, we see this scene in heaven. There's 144,000 Jewish males. We may or may not talk about those next week. I just don't know if they're going to make the cut. Also, I don't understand them, so I'm not sure what you expect me to say about them. But I've got a whole week to do some research, and we'll see. But then after that, there's this scene. I've alluded to it before in one of the past sermons, but there's this multitude coming into heaven dressed in white. And John leans over to the angel next to him, and he says, who are they? And the angel says, those are the children of God coming out of the great tribulation. And a lot of people believe that that's the rapture. The rapture, you may know, is the second coming of Christ. The Bible teaches that Jesus is going to appear in the air, that he's going to be announced by trumpets, that the whole world will be aware of his presence, when is the rapture going to happen? And we know that we don't know the day nor the time. But we also know that Jesus gives us signs that it's about to happen. And so a lot of people, based on Revelation chapter 7 and the masses coming into heaven out of the Great Tribulation, that in chapter 7 is actually the rapture. And so we call that a mid-trib rapture or a pre-wrath rapture. But we have to put our question marks. Are we sure the rapture is there? No, we are not sure. Some people, I was talking with somebody last week who grew up in a church that preached a pre-trib rapture. And they said, Jesus comes to get us before the entire tribulation begins because God wouldn't want his children to have to endure any of these things. So he comes to get us long before the tribulation, or right before the tribulation starts. So you don't have to worry about that, which is a nice thought. And there's a lot of schools of thought, particularly Baptist thought, that glom onto that. And they're like, yeah, that's got to be true. The problem is there is zero textual evidence to support this. None. You can do some gymnastics and try to convince yourself that things allude to it, but they don't. So I'm hoping with you in a pre-tribulation rapture, but the text does not support that at all. I really think that the text supports a mid-tribulation pre-wrath rapture. If I had to guess, that's what I would guess. I wouldn't bet you any more than a Chick-fil-A sandwich on it, because I could be wrong, but that would be my guess. But see, if you do go like I asked you to and read Matthew chapter 24, and you do it with an open mind, what you're going to see is that Matthew chapter 24 makes it pretty tough not to believe in a post-trib rapture. I'll write Revelation 7 here. You read Matthew chapter 24 and you're like, well gosh, it really feels like people are getting saved right up to the end and that God is waiting right up until the very end where he's still tormenting his children, and then he pulls them out. And so I texted a friend of mine, another guy who knows Revelation well, and I'm like, man, I think I'm mid-trib, but I read Matthew 24, and it sure seems like post-trib is a thing. And he said, yeah, no matter how well all the puzzle pieces go together, there's still always gonna be some left out. And so that's the fun of Revelation. So which is it? I don't know. But I've just explained to you almost literally everything I know about whether, when that is going to be. So these things occur prior to the silence in heaven, prior to the wrath of God, I think likely prior to the rapture. And as far as the timeline of these events, okay, the tribulation is seven years. So this portion, the seals, is three and a half years. Happens over the course of three and a half years. So do these horses come down together? I don't know. When does the earthquake come in relation to the horses? I'm really not sure. But these events happen over the course of three and a half years. And then these events happen over the course of three and a half years. So you can see that once the wrath of God starts, that things really begin to pick up in pace. Which tells me, if you look over here to the bowls, in the second bowl, the sea is turned into blood and is unusable. Subsequent to that, all the fresh water is turned to blood and is unusable. Which means if you're here during the tribulation and God hasn't yet raptured us and you have a lake house and all the oceans get turned to blood, you probably want to get in a couple of weekends because like your lake's not going to be usable here pretty soon. All right. I'm just, that's just a freebie. Try to enjoy the tribulation, make the most of it. After the silence in heaven, seven angels are given trumpets and they begin to blow their trumpets. And then very quickly, you guys have this on your paper. The first one is hail and fire and it renders a third of the earth uninhabitable. The second is a burning mountain is thrown into the sea and a third of the ocean is rendered unusable. The third is a, it looks like a comet called Wormwood falls from the sky and renders a third of the water, fresh water unusable. If you know your C.S. Lewis, you know that Wormwood is the name of the demon in the screw tape letters. This is where he gets it from. And then the fourth trumpet is the sun is struck and one third of the heavenly light. So moon, stars, things like that are blacked out and we begin to lose the light in the heavens. Then after the fourth one, an eagle flies over heaven and says, whoa, whoa, whoa to those who remain. And these are then, these last three trumpets are also called the three woes. So if you're reading the book of Revelation and you're following through, I'm following the trumpets. I got them, I got them, the first trumpet, second trumpet, third trumpet, I'm following along. And then the woes start and you're like, whoa, I didn't know there was gonna be woes in the trumpets. Then they're the last three trumpets. So the first woe is the fifth trumpet and so on and so forth. That's how we can keep track of it. And it gets a little tricky because the second woe is the sixth trumpet and then we wait two chapters before we get to the third woe and the seventh trumpet. But this is when it starts to get particularly rough. At the fifth trumpet, God himself releases an angel named Apollyon, which is a fantastic name for a scary-sounding angel. And Apollyon has an army of locusts that come out of the earth. They look like locusts, they have tails like scorpions, and they sting humankind, and the sting torments you for five months. Why five months? I do not know. I guess God decided that four months was not enough and that six months was pushing it. I really don't know. Another question about numbers, a third, a third, a third. Why is it a third? Somebody asked me this earlier in the week. We're not sure about that either. What we do know is that when Satan fell, he took a third of the angels with him to form the demons, and that we see that depicted in Revelation chapter 10 when the tail of the dragon sweeps the stars out of the heavens and a third of them fall to the earth. And so it might just be in keeping with that, but I'm not sure that we can assign much significance to a third for those of you wondering. After Apollyon and the locusts torture us for five months, the four angels are released. This is pretty ominous. There's four angels, angels of war, sent from heaven, and the number of their troops, if you do the math, is 200 million. And they are sent to kill a third of mankind, which sounds terrible, which is why I thought this might be a good time to remind you of something that I've already pointed out that we see in Revelation 9, verse 20 and, I am convinced, experiencing the wrath of God are those who refuse to believe that it is the wrath of God. They obstinately refuse to bend the knee and to submit to our creator God. And so, if you're still around here and it seems terrible for the angels to come and kill a third of mankind, I agree with you. There's an out. All you have to do is ask for it. After that, there's an interlude. We see the scene that I just alluded to with the dragon and the woman and the baby. And then in chapter 11, the temple of heaven is opened. There's an earthquake and there's great hail. After the earthquake and the hail, out of the temple is a voice that says, pour out the bowls. There's seven bowls. These are the bowls of God's wrath. This is when it gets really bad. So the first bowl is painful sores for everyone who has the mark of the beast. In Revelation, we're told that there's a mark of the beast that you must get in order to buy and sell and trade goods. And so for everyone who has the mark of the beast and worships him, they get painful sores that torment them. We're going to talk more about the mark of the beast next week. I'm not going to belabor it this week. After that, the sea is turned to blood and then the freshwater is turned to blood. Then the sun scorches the earth. When the sun scorches the earth, it scorches the earth so badly that if you go outside, you catch on fire. It's really, really bad. And people cry out. And there's another time where the text stops and makes sure that we understand the people left here experiencing this are people who have not repented and refused to bow the knee. Okay? Then I just wrote dark kingdom. But what's going on here is this, if you've never heard it before, you might jot down this term, unholy trinity. The unholy trinity consists of the antichrist, the beast, which is probably Satan, and then a false prophet. That's the unholy trinity. We see them throughout the book of Revelation, and next week we'll talk about who they are, what they do, and why they exist. But they have, by this point, established a kingdom on earth, and God darkens everything over their kingdom. As a response to that dark ever heard of, you've ever heard, you've heard of the battle of Armageddon. Thanks to Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck in particular. We know this phrase Armageddon. This is where it happens. It's the battle to end all battles. Once Armageddon is done, God says in heaven, it is done. Which sounds a lot like Jesus on the cross saying it is finished. I'm just saying. There's the greatest earthquake the world has ever known. The great city, Jerusalem, is split into three. And 100 pound tribulation. And it's interesting to me, as I was kind of listing this out this week, this, the hail and the fire makes a third of the earth uninhabitable. It kind of impacts the whole earth. The painful sores seem like a progression of this. A third of the sea is rendered unusable. The whole sea is rendered unusable. Third of the fresh water, all of the fresh water. The sun is struck and now the sun scorches the earth. I don't know. I thought about trying to link Apollyon and the locusts to the dark kingdom. I don't know how to do it. I'm pretty sure it exists, okay, because it's so consistent in other places. But the four angels declare war on mankind, and then it's the war to end all wars, and then earthquake to earthquake. And so it's interesting to me that from the trumpets to the bowls, that God's wrath is progressive, that it gets worse, it builds, it's cyclically more severe. Even from the first, the four horsemen of the apocalypse bring these things in general upon the earth, and then it happens in more specific and worse ways as we go. And the cyclical nature of the worsening of this isn't dissimilar to other places in scripture, most notably the book of Judges, where if you read the book of Judges, it's three cycles of sin and reprisal and punishment and repentance, and then they fall back into sin, and the sin is worse, and so the punishment is worse, and the repentance is greater, and then it's worse and worse and worse. It's three different cycles until it ends in Israel being as evil as any nation that has ever existed. And so the cyclical nature of the process of the tribulation is not lost on me as it finalizes in the worst version of everything that God has already wrought. I think that's interesting and worth at least noting. And then we finish with the great earthquake. After this, in chapters 17 and 18, we see there's dialogue in heaven about what's about to happen next. And then in 19, the greatest scene in the history of history is the marriage supper of the Lamb and Jesus coming as returning conqueror. And I can't wait to preach about that in two weeks. And then after that, eternity begins with the new heaven and the new earth. We'll come back next week and we'll talk about the figures of the tribulation to try to understand those a little bit better. If you got a lot out of this morning, then I would expect that you would like next week. If you did not like this morning, I don't know what to tell you. Come in two weeks, please. That's going to be better than this. And any grace person will tell you if you don't come here often, this is not typical, but I wanted you guys to be able to understand the tribulation and the process of it. As I wrap up, I would simply say this, and I don't mean to open up more questions than I'm going to answer this morning, but in my own personal life, as I've been growing in this last year or so, I've been reflecting a lot on this idea that our God seems to be remarkably resistant to clarity. He doesn't seem to be overly interested in showing us exactly what to do and exactly when to do it. He doesn't seem to be overly interested in telling us what's going to happen and how it's going to happen. Should I take this job or should I not? Should we buy this house or should we not? How do we parent our kids? How do I fix my relationship? How do I honor my wife? How do I honor my husband? God gives us principles that largely leave us kind of lurching for what exactly is it, God, that you want us to do. And I think that that lurching is on purpose because in that groping in the dark, we learn to reach for God. We learn to hear him. We learn to be sensitive to his spirit. Our God is resistant to clarity because he wants you to be drawn to him in the unclarity. Which is why it's super interesting to me that God is so very clear about what's going to happen here. There is no place in the Bible that goes into this much detail at this length about what is going to happen. There are places in the Bible where we find this much detail, maybe a snippet of it here, but we don't find anywhere where God goes into this much detail for this length of time about exactly what's going to happen. And I think it's interesting that God chooses his wrath as a place to be crystal clear. And I think a smart Christian will wonder, well, why, God, are you so clear here? Why is it so important to you that we understand this with that level of clarity? And I would tell you, after a week of thinking about it, I don't know. But if you want to talk about this sermon in your small groups, that's the question I would begin with this week as you meet in your groups. Why is it, do you think, that God goes through that much trouble to give us that much clarity in a unique way about the end of time? Let's pray, and we'll worship together, and then we'll be done. Father, thank you so much for this morning. Thank you for who you are and the clarity that you give us. Lord, thank you for telling us what's coming. I pray that we would understand it better and in understanding that we would understand you. God, this may be complicated or dizzying for some, but I pray that you would create and maintain within all of us this burning desire to really understand you and your word. I pray that our spirits would actually be enlivened by learning more about you and what you've shared with us. Father, we thank you for your clarity here, and we ask that we would learn to properly deal with and process that. More than anything, God, if there is anybody within the sound of my voice who doesn't know you, who might be subject to that wrath, would they simply ask you to spare them? And in doing that, look forward to spending eternity in heaven with you, which is the whole point of the exercise anyway. It's in your son's name we ask these things. Amen.