We always talk about the stories of Moses and Abraham and David and Paul. We know all about the boys, but what about the girls? Why don't we talk more about the people in the Bible who are like me? It turns out the girls of the Bible are pretty awesome. And when we take the time to learn their stories, we will be amazed at what God can do with someone who is consistently, humbly, and lovingly faithful. This morning we finish up our series called Faithful where we've been looking at stories of faithful women in the Bible and we are wrapping up with a who, she was just a bad joker, man. Like, I really, really liked getting into the story of her this week. She's a woman named Deborah, and Deborah was a judge and a prophetess. I think she is this underrated hero of the Bible. I think that her name kind of echoes down. She is one of these great women that did incredible things and that it's very much worth taking a weekend and focusing on her because her story, even though we really only see it in Judges 4 and 5, we see the story in Judges 4 and then her song in 5 that basically retells the story in poem form. But that's where we find her. So if you have a Bible and you want to turn there, you can go ahead and turn to Judges 4. If you don't have a Bible with you, there's one in the seat back in front of you. But that's where we're going to be today. And whenever I kind of recount a story for you guys, I like for you all to be interacting with Scripture too so you know that I'm not making this stuff up. There's something in particular that I'm excited to share with you that I'm going to just read because it's so outlandish that I want you to know that I'm not making it up. But Deborah, Deborah, she was a cool lady, man. She was a judge. And just so we're clear on this, before we kind of jump into the story, I want us to understand what a judge was in Israel, because I think that's something that we hear in church. Maybe you've even heard it referred to as the time of the judges or the period of the judges. And that's something that I think church people kind of nod along with sometimes without really knowing what that means. And so the period of the judges in Israel is the period of time between when Joshua conquered the nation of Israel and all the 12 tribes set up camp. And now they're claiming the nation of Israel as their own. And then years later, they got their first king in King Saul. And so the period between that is known as the time of the judges. And during the time of the judges, when the government was actually set up as God intended it to be set up in Israel, God was the king. He was their eternal heavenly king sitting on the throne. And eventually, the people of Israel were like middle school girls, and they wanted to have what everybody else around them had. And so they stomped their foot until their face turned blue, and they demanded a king. And And they gave him, and he gave him a king and Saul. And he said, and these bad things are going to happen when I do this. And they did. But that time before that is the period of the judges. And a judge was somebody who was a military ruler who also presided over legal matters. So what was going on in the period of the judges is the Israelites were God's chosen people. He gave them some rules that he wanted to follow, the Ten Commandments, and he wanted them to honor him. And at times they would throw off that rule. They would dishonor God. They would forget about him for a generation. And when that happened, God would allow a foreign oppressor to come in and subjugate them until they cried uncle and said, God, we're sorry. We realize we've ignored you. Please save us. We're going to follow you again. And God would say, okay. And he would appoint a judge to rise up from among them and be a military leader that would overthrow the oppressing surrounding nation. Okay. But they would also settle disputes, settle legal matters. You owe them money, they owe you money, or however it would go. So that was the role of the judge in the Old Testament. And Deborah was a judge and a prophetess. Deborah was awesome. And listen, this is just an aside, okay? You can't look at the story of Deborah in the Old Testament and see that God entrusted her to be a judge and a prophetess and lead his people and think that women are incapable of leading the local church, okay? We can't look at the story of Deborah and say, God here trusted a woman to lead all of his people, but now in 2021, we can't trust a woman to be an elder. It's just an aside. But we look at Deborah, and Deborah has a tree. She's got a tree named after her. It's the palm of Deborah, and she sits under it, and she just makes rulings all day. She's like ancient Israel's Judge Judy, okay? That's who she is. Whenever they have a dispute, they're like, well, let's go talk to Deborah about it. Like, I lent you my ox. You gave it back to me. It has a limp. It doesn't plow as quickly anymore. You owe me an ox. The heck I do. I'm not buying you an ox. All right, we're going to talk to Deb. All right, that's what they would do. So they would go and they would talk to Deborah under the tree that was named after her. So she had been doing this for a while. And it's under this tree that she summons a general named Barak. And that's kind of where we pick up the story. I want to read to you what's going on in Judges chapter 4, because we get from these two verses, I think the biggest mom energy in the Old Testament. We don't see mom energy quite like this until we get to John chapter 4 when Mary tells Jesus to turn the water into wine. When she's like, do the thing that you do when you do the miracle stuff. Like, go ahead. When Mary starts ordering around the Savior of the world, the Messiah incarnate, that's the next time we see energy on the level of what Deborah does here in this passage. Listen to what she does in Judges chapter 4, picking up in verse 6. So here's what's going on. Deborah is a judge, and judges are appointed when there's a foreign oppressor. In this case, the foreign oppressors are the Canaanites. And the general of the Canaanite army is a guy named Sisera. And we're told over and over again in the chapter that Sisera had 900 chariots of iron. I have no idea or perspective about how big of a deal that was. I don't know what that means. I just know that whoever wrote this chapter of Judges thinks it was a big enough deal to mention a bunch of times. So the Israelites are pretty scared of these 900 chariots of iron. And Deborah somehow knows that God has told Barak, the general of the Israelite armies, to gather 10,000 men from the tribes of Naphtali and Zebulun and go out and face Sisera and his chariots. She knows this. I don't know how she knows this. She was clearly close with God. I don't know if God gave her a message and said, hey, you know, I told Barak to go do this. He's dragging his feet. If you could kind of get after him for me, that would be great. I don't know if some messengers told her. I don't know how she knew, but she knew. And she knew that this is what Barak was supposed to do. So she summons him. And let's not miss that. She's a lady in the hill country in northern Israel. And she sent word, presumably to Jerusalem, for the general of the armies to come see her. Now listen. In the ancient world, there's no badder dude than the general. Especially in a nation without a king. He's the man. You do not tell the general what to do. But when Deborah summoned Barak, he was like, well, I guess we got to go. He went. Like, that's some big-time mom energy. She summons the general. We got it. We got it. I don't have a choice. Deborah called me to the tree of her name. I've got to go. And so he goes, and when he gets there, she moms him. And she says, didn't God tell you to get 10,000 troops and go fight Sisera? What are you doing, man? Like, didn't God tell you to do this? Why aren't you doing, why aren't you being obedient to God? He gave you clear instruction. You're not doing it. What gives? And I think that it's easy to read the Bible and see details like that and then just keep on reading without pausing to think about what's going on in this conversation. Do you realize the amount of faith that it takes from Barak to go do this? He's got to go to these tribes. He's got to look mamas and daddies in the eye, and he's got to say, I need your son. He's got to say, I need your husband. We've got to go fight Sisera, the dude with 900 chariots. Yeah, we're going to go fight him. You know that we're not strong enough to beat him, right? Yeah, I know, but God said that he was with us, so we're going to go and we're going to kill him. And it's the type of fighting that we both put sharp objects in our hands and we swing at each other until one of us dies. That's really hard fighting. But I need your son. Let's go. And then he's got to go out there and he's got to risk his own life as he leads these men into battle. So when he gets this direction from God, take these 10,000 people and go fight Sisera, it's pretty natural to be like, you sure? Maybe we should just wait. And so Deborah calls him. He's like, dude, what are you doing? God told you to go fight, go fight. And I like Barak's response and I like Deborah's response to him even better. We pick it back up in verse 8. Barak said to her, if you go with me, I'll go. But if you will not go with me, I will not go. And she said, I will surely go with you. Nevertheless, the road on which you are going will not lead to your glory, for the Lord will sell Sisera into the hand of a woman. Again, let's look at that. She calls him up to her palm tree and says, didn't God tell you to amass an army and go fight Sisera? And his response is, yeah. Easy for you to say, Deb. You're up here at your tree. You're deciding who owes who an ox, all right? You want me to go recruit young men and go watch them march to their death, potentially die while I do it. Easy for you to say, pal. So then he says, I'll tell you what, he did say that. And listen, if you come with me, I'll go. If you put your money where your mouth is, big talker, we'll go do this thing together. And I don't know this for sure, okay? There's not enough in the text to tell us positively. It's just my opinion. If I get to heaven and I find out I'm wrong about this and many other things, I'm comfortable with this error. But I think that Barak responds this way because he thinks it's going to shut her up. Because he thinks that's going to stop the conversation. Yeah, he told me to. You want to come too? You want to put your money where your mouth is, big dog, then we can go together. And I think that he thinks she's going to be like, well, no, I mean, this is for armies. I got, you know, I got, I got all these people. I got to settle these disputes here. I can't go. And instead, Deborah doubles down, right? Deborah's like, all right, where can I ride? Is that horse good? Is he taken? Let's go. I will surely go with you, she says. She didn't care. She doesn't miss a beat. All right, I'll go watch the slaughter. Let's roll. And you got to know the Barak's like, oh, shoot. Okay, well, I guess we're doing this thing. So they go, and I love that she says that you're not going to get the glory for this either, just so you know. Like, this is kind of a woman's story, so you're an auxiliary character in this Barak. And sure enough, they go, and they have the battle, and God is with the armies of Israel, and he delivers victory into their hands. They rout the army of the Canaanites, and Sisera is left fleeing. The army is in disarray, and Barak is hot on his trail. He wants to kill this guy, or capture him. He wants to get the glory. And while Sisera is running away, and I'm just telling you this part of the story just for gratuity, because I think it's great. I'm not going to make a spiritual point from this point on. I'm telling you this part of the story because it's awesome. While he's running away, there's a woman named Jael, and she's married to a guy who's friendly with his king. And somehow it seems like she knows that the army's been routed, everyone's trying to get away. So Jael goes and she sees Sisera fleeing. And she's like, Sisera, come stay in our tent. I'll hide you in here until, you know, the heat is off a little bit. And he's like, okay, thank you. And he comes into the tent and he lays down and it says that she covers him with a rug and that he was exceedingly tired. He's exhausted from battle and from fleeing, and he's just tired out of his mind, right? And so he says, will you get me some warm water? I'm thirsty. And she goes, and instead of water, she gets him warm milk because she wanted him to be good and tired. And he tells her, when Barack comes by with the armies, you tell him that I went that way. And she's like, got it. You sleeping good? And so when he goes to sleep and he's good in the sleep, this is what happens. And I'm reading you this from the Bible verbatim because it's not going to be up there. So you're just going to have to listen because I want you to know that I'm not making this up and how great it is. Verse 21, but JL, the wife of Heber took a tent peg and took a hammer in her hand. Then she went softly to him. Apparently, you don't survive tent peg impalement. That's not a thing. And she didn't just get it in there. She drove the peg into the ground. She was mad for some reason. And she gets the glory. And here we are, thousands of years later, telling the story of JL. I shared that story because I've always just, I love that little detail. I love that little nuance in the Bible. I love knowing the story of Jael. And listen, these kinds of things are tucked away in all sorts of places, particularly in the Old Testament. And sometimes I want to do little more than on a Sunday, make the Bible come alive for you a little bit so that you get curious about it and you want to start finding this stuff for yourself. Go home and Google Dinah and her brothers, D-I-N-A-H and her brothers and see if you don't get a laugh out of that story. There's so many good ones in the Old Testament. Sometimes I just want to make it come alive for you a little bit so that you go home with some curiosity and read it on your own because there's really some great stuff in there. But the reason we're covering this story this morning is to talk about Deborah and what we learned from her. Because I think there's a lot of lessons that we can pull out from Deborah, but the one that I see the most, the one that I'm floored with and impressed with the most, is this. When you are certain of the Lord's direction, you can walk with confidence. When you are certain of the Lord's direction, of the clarity that he is giving you, then you can walk with absolute confidence. Deborah somehow, and I don't know how, Deborah knew with clarity that God had given that instruction to Barak. She knew it. And so she had the confidence to summon him and say, didn't God tell you to do the thing? And then when he said, why don't you put your money where your mouth is and come with me, she didn't miss a beat. She didn't hesitate. She wasn't a warrior. She didn't know how to do this. She was a judge. She was a prophetess. She didn't go out on the battlefield, but she didn't hesitate to go with Barak because she was so certain of God's direction that she was able to walk with confidence and follow that direction. She was able to walk in obedience because she was so sure of God's direction and of his providence and sovereignty to see her through that direction. And so in our lives, when we're clear about what God wants us to do, about the step of obedience that we are supposed to take, we can walk with confidence. And I think about it this way. First of all, I believe that every one of us here has the next step of obedience that God is placing in front of us. I think that's what discipleship and spiritual growth is, is simply taking the next step of obedience. Sometimes it's a relatively small one. I want you to develop a habit of a devotional life. I want you to develop a habit of getting up every day and spending time in God's word and time in prayer. Maybe that's yours. Maybe it's a bigger one. Maybe it's beginning to tithe or give or be generous. Maybe it's to have this conversation. Maybe it's to reconcile this relationship. Maybe it's to finally shed some light on some of the dark places in your life, to bring those out into the light and share those with some trusted friends and say, I need help with these. Maybe it's time to actually get some help for some other thing. Maybe it's time to lean on other people. Maybe it's time to offer forgiveness. Maybe it's time to ask for forgiveness. Whatever it is, maybe it's time to watch your mouth and stop looking at stuff you don't need to look at. Whatever it is, I believe that God has for each of us the next step of obedience that he wants us to take. And then when we take that one, he's got another one waiting on us and it's going to be lather, rinse, repeat for the rest of our lives. So we better get used to it. And sometimes I feel like that when God asks us to take a step of obedience, that there's like a fence between us and where he wants us to be. That we're in this yard, we're in this area and there's a fence and it's a walled fence. We can't see on the other side of it. And he says, hey, I want you to jump it. And part of our hesitation is, I want to, but I don't know what's over there. I don't know if I'm going to be met with forgiveness. I don't know if I, I feel like you want me to take this job, but if I do, I don't know what's going to be in that city. I don't know what's going to be at that move. I don't know what kind of co-workers I'm going to be with. I want you to go full in on this relationship, but I don't know what's going to be in that city. I don't know what's going to be at that move. I don't know what kind of coworkers I'm going to be with. I want you to go full in on this relationship, but I don't know what's going to happen when I get there. That's the thing with obedience. There's a fence between us and the step, and we don't always get to see how it's going to go. There's a pretty big fence here for Deborah. I want you to amass an army and go defeat another army that you have no business defeating. She doesn't know how that's going to go when the swords get unsheathed. But when we know with certainty God's direction, we can jump that fence with confidence every time. Now this actually brings us to the question I want to spend time answering today. This is a question that I think every Christian ever has wondered. This is a question that as a pastor, I get asked this with a great deal of frequency. This is a question that I think Christians wonder no matter how long they've been walking with the Lord, no matter how fresh their faith is, no matter the depth of their faith, no matter the breadth of experience of their faith. I think that this is something that all Christians wonder about. And so I wanted to take the rest of our time today and do my best to answer this question, which is, okay, listen, Nate, I understand. When I have certainty of God's direction, I can go to the next thing. When I'm certain about it, I know that I can go with confidence, but how do I know when I've clearly heard from God? How do I know? How do I know with the level of confidence that Deborah had to go risk people's lives that I can jump that fence? How do I know that I know that I've actually heard from God? I think that's a really tough question to answer. And so I wanted to offer you a couple suggestions this morning as to how we can be clear that we've heard from God, that we have clarity on his direction. The first thing I would mention is actually not in your notes. It's probably the most important one. When I was making the notes up, I should have included this one. I thought it was kind of a given, but the more I thought about it, the more I thought it was important to mention here. God's direction will never be in opposition to his word. Okay, God's direction in prayer and in counsel is always going to be in harmony with scripture. You're never going to pray away a teaching in scripture. You're never going to pray enough to make theft okay, right? Like the Super Bowl is coming up. You're having some kids over. They're in the youth group or they're in the kids ministry. And you're having some families over from the church and you want it to go really well. And your TV is kind of cruddy. So you go to Best Buy and you buy a big, nice one. And you know that you're going to return it on Tuesday, but you were doing this for Jesus. Like I'm doing this for the church. It's for the children, right? We prayed about it. This is what God wants me to do. No, that's theft, man. You're stealing a portion of the use of that object and you're returning it at Best Buy and now they have to give you your full money back and they have to sell it as an open box item and you've stolen from them. And they're a big, huge corporation and they deserve for us to steal from them. Maybe, all right, but that's not what we're talking about. The Bible doesn't make space for those exceptions. That's theft. You're not going to pray that away. You're not going to pray away loving your neighbor as yourself. There's no situation where you can say, I really feel like I should be able to treat this person like a jerk because they're a jerk for me. So this is what I'm going to do. You can't pray that away. You can't pray yourself into an affair. You can't pray yourself into something that runs contrary to Scripture. So the first thing about hearing God's voice is when you think you've heard it, it will never run contrary to this. If it does, you need to fix your ears. Okay, the other reasons. And this, I think, is the biggest one. It's the toughest one to swallow, but it's the most important one. How do I know when I've clearly heard from God? You learn his voice over time. You learn his voice over time. Jesus says that my sheep know me and they know my voice. We recognize when the Father calls to us. We recognize when Jesus is speaking to us. And what this means is the more times I wake up in the morning and I spend time in God's word and spend time in prayer, and I've talked to you guys before about listening prayer, about prayer not just being where we spout off things to God and then we go, okay, amen, and we walk away, but where we try to sit quietly and listen with our soul. And if that sounds mysterious and weird and wispy, it is. I can't explain it to you better than that. You just need to start doing it and trying. But we listen to God. We listen to him speak to us in scripture. We listen to the spiritual leaders in our life. The people that we trust and we hear from them and we start to learn more and more what the voice of God sounds like and when the voice of God is showing up, we start to learn things. Sometimes I'm in a conversation and I'll just hear this little whisper. Lean into this. Put down your phone and listen. Be present here. And it's like, oh, oh, this is a God conversation. God's using this person to speak to me right now. I need to hear this. The more we listen for God, the better we get at hearing him. I always think of it like when I was a kid, my dad had a whistle, just a classic dad whistle. Just, hey, get over here. And I will recognize, I could be in a park and 25 dads could whistle in unison. And I would know which one was my dad's and where he was. Like, I remember being in the church parking lot. I hear the whistle. I go to the car. Like, I just know I'm out playing in the neighborhood. I hear the whistle. I know that's my dad's whistle. Oh, I heard that whistle. That was your dad's whistle. Sorry, sucker. I'm still playing. But when I heard my dad's whistle, I knew you'd go. I just heard it so many times that it just resonates with me, right? That's how the voice of God works. So often, people will come to me frustrated because they're praying about a thing and they don't feel like they have any clear direction. Or it seems like God speaks to other people, but God doesn't speak to me. And it's a hard question to ask, but it's the best one to ask, which is, well, how long have you been trying to listen? How many years have you invested in trying to learn his voice? This is the thing that over time and through dedication, we begin to learn the voice of God. We begin to learn the voice of God so much that we get stories like Elisha. I've mentioned this before, but Elisha in the Old Testament, the book of 1 and 2 Kings, he's somewhere off on a mountainside and someone comes to him and they said, hey, the son of so-and-so just died. They're calling for you. And his response is to look at God and go, this is how you're letting me find out about this? You didn't want to tell me yourself? Like, when has something happened and you've seen it on your Facebook feed and you've gone like, God, you didn't want to mention this to me? Like, who of us are that close that we hear his voice that regularly that he speaks to us with such clarity that we would turn to him and we would say, this terrible thing has happened to someone in my life and you didn't tell me. Why didn't you tell me? I would never do that because I would just assume that I missed it if you tried to tell me. The only way we get that close to God and know his voice that well is by a consistent pursuit of him. So if we're frustrated that we're not hearing the voice of God, we don't have clarity about something, I would ask you, how long have you been trying to listen? The next thing I would say is this. How do we know that we've heard clarity from God? The voices in your life will speak in stereo. The voices that God has placed in your life will speak in stereo. It's awkward for me to say this, but if you go to grace, he's given you a pastor. He's given you other things to compensate for his lack of wisdom in your life, but he's also given you a pastor. He's given you parents, kids. He's given you parents. And if you have parents who love you and love God, they have been placed, you are lucky, and they have been placed in your life for you to listen to. When they speak, we need to hear God speaking to us. And that doesn't go away when we move away. They're still our counsel. They're still placed in our life to shepherd us. Our small group leaders, our small group people, our friends, the people that we look up to, God has placed people in our life who love us and love Jesus, and they are there to be his voice when we need it. And I have always found that these voices speak in stereo. They speak together. They speak in one accord. We go around and we ask people, what do you think about this? I think God wants me to take this step. What do you think about it? What do you think about it? What do you think about it? They're going to speak together in unison. It's going to harmonize with scripture. And when all these trusted voices in our life agree that this is what we're hearing and this is what we need to do, that's a sure sign that that's a step that we can take. I think the mistake that some of us make sometimes is we have a thing that we want to do and we're praying to God and asking permission for it. I think this is what God wants me to do. And we're going around and we're asking all of our friends and all of our trusted friends say, no, that's a bad idea. Gosh, I'm not sure I would do that right now. I don't know. They seem a little bit crazy. You might not want to get into that. And then you find the one person that's like, do it, dog. Go. That's what God wants. And you're like, see, they told me. And we ignore everyone else. And we follow the one piece of advice that we wanted to hear. God's voice often speaks to us in stereo through a multiplicity of counsel. Proverbs tells us that where there is much counsel, there is much wisdom. So if we want clarity in hearing the voice of God, ask people who we know, listen. And this is important too. Maybe you have somebody that you know who prays constantly. I think of Miss Ginger, Miss Ginger Gentry. She is a prayer warrior. She prays all the time. She was our Grace Raleigh Partner of the Year last year. No big deal. We started handing out that award. That's a huge deal. That was the most weird, tepid applause. I hope you heard that, Ginger. If I really needed to know some direction, you know what I would do? I would go to Ms. Ginger, who I know is a prayer warrior, and I would say, hey, I'm thinking about this thing. Will you please pray about this and tell me how you feel God's directing you? Use those voices in your life. The people that are a little bit further down the path, the people who have listened for longer than you, who you trust to hear the voice of God, go to them and say, will you pray about this for me and tell me what you think God is directing you to do? Listen to the voices that God's given us in stereo. The last thing that I would tell you to do if you want clarity on God's direction in your life, and this isn't the best or first option, but it is often a clarifying one, is to ask for a sign. Ask for clear direction. We see this happen in the story of Gideon and the judges. Just a couple of chapters later, God says, hey, I want you to go do this crazy thing. I want you to take 300 men and go fight this big, huge army with it. And Gideon's like, are you sure? And God says, yeah. And Gideon goes, if you're really sure, I'm going to put a doormat out in front of my tent. When I wake up, I want that to be wet and the rest of the ground to be dry. And God says, all right. So Gideon wakes up and the doormat is wet and the rest of the ground is dry. And he's like, I guess I really need to do the thing. But one more time, God, this time I want to wake up tomorrow. I want the ground to be wet and my mat to be dry. And he wakes up the next day and the ground's wet, the mat's dry. And he's like, all right, I guess we're going to do the thing. It's okay to ask for signs. I've actually done this twice in my life. It was such a big decision that I just felt like, God, I need something from you so that I know I can grab onto this if things get hard. And in February of 2016, Jen and I were outside of Atlanta, and we made the decision together that it was time for me to start looking for a job as a senior pastor. That seemed like the next thing to do. And so at the onset of the search, I was outside one night. I was letting the dog out. I went outside, and whenever I go outside, I always look up at the stars. I've always loved the stars. I've always loved the sky. And so I was just looking up at the stars, and I was praying. And I remember my prayer that night was, God, I know that this is going to be tough, and I'm not going to know what to do, and I'm going to have to make a hard decision. So can you just, when I find the right place, can you just make it clear? Can you put Jen and I on the same page on this? I don't want to take her to a place where she doesn't want to go. I don't want to go to a place where I'm not supposed to go. Will you please just make this clear? This is a big choice. And as I was praying that, I looked up, and I saw a constellation that I'd never seen before. And I thought, huh, must be a message from God. I wonder what that is. So I pull out my phone, I download this constellation app and I look at it and it turns out it was a constellation of Taurus. And so I'm reading about the description of the constellation of Taurus, like it's these three systems and they're combining this one thing. Okay, three and one, God, I'll be looking for that. And I'm trying to like piece together what are the tea leaves of this constellation that I need to be paying attention for in the search? And finally, I just gave up. And I put it down. I said, all right, God, I got you loud and clear. I'll keep that in the back of my mind. That'll make sense to me when it needs to make sense to me. And then we get to looking, right? And I got to tell you, you're 36 years old with no senior pastor experience. It takes a church that is pretty dumb or desperate to be willing to give you the keys to the place. That's what I learned in that search. I interviewed a bunch of places. I finished second a lot of times. There was a lot of doubt in there. I began to wonder, is this ever really going to happen for me? I don't have any experience. Everybody says they want somebody without experience. And then they hire the guy that's been doing it for 15 years. So do they really? and is this ever really going to happen? God, do I need to start looking for different things? It was hard, but I felt like I needed to hang in there, right? And then in December of 16, I came across Grace and had my first interview on December the 8th. And then that process kind of went into the next year. And at the end of February, early March, I had come up here on a weekend visit. And when I came up here for a visit and I got to spend time with the people, and I don't know how this happened because, I mean, look at this place. I fell in love with it, okay? I don't know how. I mean, polling all, I was like, I'm all in on this place. I fell in love with it and I really felt like this is where I wanted to be. I felt like it fit. I felt like it was good, and this is where I wanted to be, and I felt like Raleigh was going to be a good place to raise a family. But I also knew after my visit that there was another guy coming up the following weekend, and he probably thought the same thing. God's probably giving him the same direction because you never quite know how that works. And then I knew that after his visit, they were going to have an elder meeting. And then in the elder meeting, they were going to decide who they were going to offer and they were going to give somebody a call. And so it came that night. It was a Tuesday night, I think. And I knew, I think, that they were going to meet at like 6 or 6.30 and that they were going to decide who they wanted to offer and then they were going to make a call. And so, you know, I'm trying to hang in there. I'm trying to not be stressed. 7 o'clock rolls around. I'm like, you know, it's just been 30 minutes. I've got to get into the process a little bit. Then it's 7.30 and I'm like, well, what in the world is taking them so long? Little did I know they had marathon elder meetings back then so they would probably all laugh at that. 8 o'clock hits, 8.30, and I'm like, oh no, this is taking too long. I'm so clearly better than the other guy. How can there be this much debate? And then nine o'clock happens, and I'm like, well, shoot. They offered it to the other dude, and now they're going to call me tomorrow and offer me condolences, or they're waiting to see if he takes it, and maybe I'll be plan B when I'm not above that. And then I just kind of start to spiral. I kind of start to just get anxious and think this isn't going to happen and I'm going back to the place of this is never going to work out. This is never going to happen. I'm going to be a small groups pastor for the rest of my life. That takes work like four a year. And then I'm just bored. I didn't want to do that. And so to try to lower my anxiety, I just went outside to pray. And I go outside to pray. And y'all, I had totally forgotten about Taurus. I hadn't thought about it. I hadn't looked for it. I hadn't read about it. It was not in my mind. And I looked up. And for the second time in my life, I saw that constellation. And I thought, okay, I hear you. We're good. And I stopped praying. And I went inside and I told Jen, everything's going to be fine. She goes, what? And I was like, yeah, I saw some stars. It's going to be good. A few minutes later, Bert called me and they offered me a job. And, you know, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I feel like it's been a pretty good fit. I feel like what was on the other side of that fence has been pretty good. And so sometimes we're not quite sure, but we need a little bit of assurance. It's okay to ask for a sign. It's okay to say, God, I need some clarity here. I need some direction here. But if we want to have the clarity of Deborah so that we can walk with the confidence of Deborah, we need to start learning to listen to God, start giving him opportunities to speak into our life. We need to learn to tune our spiritual ear to his voice so that when he whistles, we hear it, so that when we're in a conversation and he's speaking to us, we slow down and we engage. We need to learn that God speaks in stereo through the voices that he has placed in our life. And we need to learn that sometimes the proper spirit, if we ask for a sign, God and his goodness will give us one. And then we can walk with clarity and confidence into the step of obedience that I know he's asking all of us to take. So let's have the confidence and clarity of Deborah as we go into our week this week. Let's pray. Father, you're just so good to us. God, I pray that we would be better at hearing your voice. We know you're speaking. We know you're guiding. We know you're directing. We know that you're influencing. We know that you're there. We know that you're calling to us even now. That even now you're speaking to our hearts. Even now you're showing us the next thing. Would you please give us ears to hear? Would you please give us eyes to see? Would you please give us the clarity of Deborah? The remarkable knowledge of your voice that Elisha had. Help us to know when you're speaking. Help us to hear when your voice is in our life. Surround us with good counsel. And God, for those this morning who need a sign, I just pray that you would give it to them. Whatever step of obedience that we might be facing, Father, would you give us confidence that whatever's waiting on the other side of that fence is better than where we are now. Give us the courage to take it. It's in your son's name we ask for these things. Amen.