Sermons tagged with Presence

Well, good morning. It's good to see everybody. My name is Nate. I get to be one of the pastors here. If I haven't gotten the chance to meet you, I would be shocked because it's Memorial Day and no one visits a church on Memorial Day. But if you are doing that, I'd love to meet you in the lobby after the service. And as I always say on holiday Sundays, if you are here in church on a holiday Sunday, God does love you more than vacationing Christians. It is objectively true if you're watching online. Thanks so much for doing that. Try to be here next year. And here's what, Memorial Day is a special day for me. I'm not going to get into it because we have a lot of ground to cover and what I want to talk about this morning because I thought Memorial Day would be a great day to talk about pain and suffering and why bad things happen to good people feels right but I I just I love I love you guys I love my church I love how we worship and here's how I know that the good Christians came today. Because this is just a little bit behind the scenes, how the sausage is made. Sometimes Gibby and I, Gibson, Aaron Gibson, our worship pastor, will talk. And I'll just kind of say like, hey, be careful about laying out and letting the congregation sing. Because there's not many people here or the vibe is weird or there's not good energy and that might fall flat and then that'll be terrible. So let's relax on that. And he's like, yeah, you're right. And so for him to be able, and I'm being honest, for him to be able in worship to lay out on Memorial Day and say, just you sing, and for me to be here and hear my church praising our God on Memorial Day, we got the worshipers here today. So that was good. That was good. And I enjoyed that very much. Before I just barrel into the sermon, we should acknowledge what today is. We live in a country where we can do this freely, where the barrier to entry to church is extremely low because we have religious freedoms that have been fought for and have been died for. And we celebrate those today, not just our religious freedoms, but our freedom of speech and all the other things. And it is worth it and appropriate and good to take a minute today and acknowledge the freedom that we have, the morning that we can enjoy, and the lives that have been lost for that sake, to earn us this freedom. So it's worth acknowledging here at the head that we don't sit here for lack of sacrifice. And we honor those sacrifices today. This morning is our last morning in our series called FAQs. Next week, I'm excited. We're going to launch a, we're going to launch a, it's actually, so you guys may hear this and groan. Okay, so please don't do that because I think it's actually going to be really good and we're going to enjoy it. We're going to do a 14-week series in Moses. Bill, Bill Reed, a long time, a resting elder. I said that. He goes, what? Like, it made a faith. Yes, Bill, 14 weeks, baby. Buckle up. We're going to be in Exodus going through the life of Moses. There's so much to learn about the life of Moses and from his life. And I'm excited to begin that journey with you guys. But this week we're wrapping up our series FAQ, which as you've been told, we kind of solicited some questions from small groups and from different people in the church. And I've interacted with ideas that as a pastor, I get these questions a lot. And the most common question to come up when you solicit these things from people, what do you have questions about? What questions about your faith exist? Every time something like this is done, at least in my experience, the most common question to come up is the question of suffering, which is generally phrased, why do bad things happen to good people? And implicit in that question is, why does a God who says he loves us let my dad die, right? That's what we're asking. Why does a God who says he loves us allow these terrible things to happen? Why are school shootings a thing? Why is genocide a thing? Why was the Holocaust or slavery a thing? That's what we're asking. And that comes up all the time. And I don't know about you, but the way that I've experienced my understanding of a theology of suffering over my years as a believer is in my early years, I'm kind of handed an apparatus or a way to understand suffering that helps me process it when it happens to other people. And so that's sufficient for me then. But then my life, then I encounter profound suffering. I'm like, whoa, what I was handed is not adequate to explain this to me and help me reconcile it and be okay with it. And then down the road, there's something else that happens. And now you have to explain suffering to someone else. And, and what you've been handed is not adequate to explain it to them. And so you realize there's some deficiency in how you understand suffering and the theology of suffering. And here's why this is really important, because when we misunderstand the theology of suffering, this more often, I think, than almost anything else within the Christian realm causes people to actually walk away from their faith because the way that they understand suffering isn't robust enough to be adequate for the experiences that they're having in their life. And so they allow suffering to actually move them away from God rather than run to God. So it becomes very important to develop a robust theology of suffering for the sake of maintaining our faith and fidelity to God. So it's important that we talk about it this morning. And typically, when we think about suffering and this challenging theology of suffering, we go to circumstances like one that I've, that shaped my way of thinking about suffering, which is when my, one of my best friends, a guy named Chris Gerlach was 30 years old. Gerlach and I were roommates in college. We used to keep each other up at night, each other the Tsar of Dumb and you're the King of Stupid and you are the Emperor of Moronity and things like that. That's the kind of friendship that we had. Gerlach was a great man. And at 30, as a pastor, with three kids under five, He was in good health playing frisbee, playing ultimate frisbee. He threw a touchdown pass 40 yards. They caught it, celebrated, turned around to celebrate with Gerlach and he was dead on the field. Widowmaker heart attack. I watched at the graveside his five-year-old knock on his coffin and ask his mom, my wife's college roommate, Carla, when is daddy going to wake up? That's when you go back to scripture and you go, God, why would you let that happen? Right? And I'm not so naive as to think that you don't all have very similar stories of a time in your life when you say, God, why would you let this thing happen? And so here's what I'm going to say about this, because this is, that kind of suffering is actually not the suffering that I want to talk about today. Because I've done that before. And if you've been here for a long time, you've heard me tell that story before. And we've talked about it. And I've done three or four sermons about that level of suffering that just mystifies you and makes you go, my goodness, God, how could you allow this? And so as I approached it today, I thought, I don't want to do that sermon again. I don't think it serves the church to do that sermon again. I think there's actually another thing about suffering that we need to think about. But before I just jumped into what I want us to think about today, I didn't want to breeze past that kind of suffering that is so mystifying and so grief-inducing that it causes you to question your faith. And so on that, I've done three or four sermons. And if you're interested in them, email me and I will send you the link and say, this is where I talked about this. Because it's important to address that kind of profound grief. But here's the very quick version of how that sermon goes, okay? I'm going to give you the cliff notes. I'm going to move very fast. I'm going to answer this question, how do we address profound grief? And then I want to move into actually what I want to talk to you about reframing the way we think about suffering today. The answer to the question in very profound grief is John 11, 35, which is simply this, shortest verse in the Bible, Jesus wept. That's the answer to profound suffering, okay? The situation here, when this verse comes up, Jesus' purported best friends, Mary, Martha, and Lazarus had sent word to Jesus that Lazarus was dying. Could you please come heal him? And Jesus says, okay. And then he waits two days and then he goes to Bethany where they lived. And as he's on the way to Bethany, Lazarus dies and outside their their home, Mary meets Jesus on the street. And she's weeping and she says, why did you do this? Why did you let my brother die? Why are you allowing me to be in this kind of pain? It's the question we ask when we suffer. God, why'd you do this? And Jesus' response in that suffering is, he wept. He wept. Now, here's why this is important. Years ago, I listened to one of the most impactful sermons I've ever heard in my life by a pastor from California named Rick Warren. Many of you have probably heard of him. He had a, I believe, a 27 or 29-year-old son that took his own life because he dealt with mental health issues. And when that happened, he stepped out of the pulpit for a few months. And when he came back, he preached a sermon series that I would highly recommend you Google called How I Got Through What I Went Through. And in that opening sermon, he pointed to Jesus wept. And he said this, I'll never forget this. We pastors put phrases up on the screen and you write down and fill in the blanks. And here's what I know. You don't remember that crap. You don't know what I said. It doesn't matter. But every now and again, something happens that you remember. And this is one that I remember. And he said, we serve a God that offers us his presence because explanations don't help. He offers us his presence and he offers us his hope because what we need in moments of profound grief is not explanations. We need him. And so Jesus weeping in John 11 is a depiction of the fact that we have a God that in moments of profound grief offers us his empathy. And he offers us his tears. And he offers us his presence. So that is the Cliff Notes version of that sermon. If I were going to preach that sermon, I would just add in some other illustrations and some other points and make it last 30 minutes, but I would just say that. That's the answer to grief, is that our God doesn't offer us explanations because we can't really handle them and we can't really understand them, but he offers us his presence. And that's unique in the pantheon of gods that the world would offer to us. So with that being said, if we can together as a room set that aside and go, okay, there's some grief that requires profound empathy from God. And it might not have a purpose and it might not be on, it might not be God's plan. It might just happen. And we have to process that and deal with that. And that's one of the things that I think for sure is that no one dodges the raindrops of tragedy in their life. Everyone deals with profound grief. And the reality of the world is, according to Romans 8, that all of creation yearns for the return of the king to set right this creation. And then the verse that I point out all the time in Revelation, at the end of days, there'll be no more weeping and no more crying and no more pain anymore for the former things have passed away. And so sometimes we just accept that profound grief is part of those former things that we will not have to deal with in eternity. And so we set those aside and God is present with us in that suffering. But there are other kinds of suffering that don't fit in that box and that we don't talk about enough. And so this morning, what I want to invite you to do is instead of thinking about all of suffering and all sadness and all grief in that box, can we create another larger box for other kinds of suffering? And I believe that it's Hebrews 12 that actually creates this box for us and this other way to think about why sometimes suffering happens in our lives. I want to read to you Hebrews chapter 12, verses 4 through 12. It's a lot, but it's important, so we're going to process it together. Here's what it says. In your struggle against sin, you have not resisted to the point of shedding your blood. And you have completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son or his child. It says, my son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline. And do not lose heart when he rebukes you. Because the Lord disciplines the one he loves and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son. Here's the encouragement. Endure hardship as discipline. God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? If you are not disciplined and everyone undergoes discipline, then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the father of spirits and live? They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best, but God disciplines us for our good in order that we may share in his holiness. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it. Therefore, and I'm coming back to this verse because this is a good one. Strengthen your feeble arms and weak knees, he says. So here's what this passage allows us to understand and begin to frame up about the occurrences of suffering and hardship in our life. In some suffering, like we just talked about, there is empathy. But in most suffering, there is purpose. So in some suffering, it's so gut-wrenching and heartbreaking that I would never look at Carla Gerlach and tell her after her child knocked on the coffin and say, when is dad going to wake up? I would never whisper in her ear, hey, God has a purpose for this and you're going to be better for it. I would never do that. That would be clumsy and stupid. And if you ever say that to someone who's just lost a loved one, you should be slapped in the face right away or chopped in the throat. Just something. Maybe backhanded, old school style. That'd be great with a glove. That's a clumsy, stupid thing to say. Please don't say that to people. So sometimes profound suffering, there is empathy. Jesus weeps. But what I would posit to you, for you to assess on your own, is whether or not most suffering is actually allowed by God and is purposeful. In some suffering, there is empathy. But in most suffering, there is purpose. And so what we want to focus on today is the suffering that God allows for that purpose. And what I want to encourage you to think about is some times in your life when you've suffered, some times in your life when you've hurt, or maybe what you're walking through right now that is difficult, a difficult relationship, job, friendship, situation with your children, maybe your marriage is hard, maybe work is tough right now. Every one of us has a pain point in our life, something that's causing us to suffer. And so what I want to encourage you to do this morning is to consider those things and to ask the question, is it possible that what I don't need in this situation is empathy? What I actually need is to believe in the purpose that God has in allowing this to occur in my life. With that in mind, I want to revisit verses six and seven because I think there's a profound truth there. Verse six says, because the Lord disciplines the one he loves and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son. Seven, endure hardship as discipline. God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? And then if you go on an eight, it says if you're not disciplined, you're actually being neglected. You don't belong to him. And as I read that, and as I was preparing this sermon, in my house that week, my daughter Lily and I had a tough day. I don't know if you know this, but my children as pastor's children are not perfect. And if you'd like to judge me for that, up yours, because neither are your kids, okay? So let's just cover that right there. And Lily and I are very similar. And we had a day where we butted heads. And there were big emotions. And she's nine, she's allowed big emotions. We have to learn to process those. And she says some things to me that would, frankly, have gotten my butt beat when I was a kid. That would have been a big, regretful decision. And so later, I came back to her when things were calm. I said, hey, I love you. And here's a phrase that I use with her a lot. I love you too much to allow you to act like that. I love you too much to allow you to say things like that. I love you too much to allow you to think that that is an okay way to respond in situations like that. Because I love you that much, there will be consequences for your actions. You will feel pain, which usually comes in the form of screen time. Or mommy's not going to sing songs to you tonight. That's the worst. That's a big one. But I have to tell my daughter who I love. And I have to tell my son who I love. And my parents had to tell me this. I love you too much to not do everything in my power to fashion you into who God created you to be. That's my job. And I love you too much to not do that. Now in the moment, this for her is painful. But let's put on our big boy and our big girl pants and ask the question, is it possible that sometimes God allows pain in our lives that hurts very much, that is very inconvenient and uncomfortable, because he loves us too much to not fashion us into the people that he created us to be. Is it not possible that some pain and some suffering, and I would posit most pain and suffering, is actually good? Is this not possible, this idea that some pain is from God? We don't talk about this a lot. I don't preach about this a lot. Pastors don't like to bring this up. But is it possible that some pain and grief, that where your mind goes as you identify the suffering in your life and the things that are hard in your life? Is it not possible that God is using those things to fashion you into the person he wants you to be because he loves you too much to not work on you in that way? Is it possible that your suffering is actually a result of your father's love? The idea for this sermon actually came from my trip to Istanbul in March. And I don't mean to keep bringing it up, but clearly, I can't just preach out of that trip forever. You guys will get tired of it. But clearly, it was an impactful trip for me. And this is actually the sermon that I'm giving you today. It's a truncated version of my friend's slide deck. It's a 90-minute presentation called Sonship and Suffering based in Hebrews chapter 12. So I'm giving you the 25-minute version of it because I took five minutes to talk about other suffering. You don't even have to sit through the 90 minutes, okay? I'm saving you from that suffering. So you should be grateful. And he preached this. He taught this to a room of Iranian pastors who suffer for their faith. And let's just be very clear about this, okay? I'm not going to belabor this point because if you can't agree with me on it, you're an unreasonable person. Iranian Christians suffer more than American ones, okay? And he preached it to them. And I asked him, where do you get off preaching this to Iranian pastors risking their families for their faith from the comfort of Chapel Hill? I didn't phrase it like that. It was nicer, but that was the question. And he said, it's in the Bible. I'm a general. I have to deploy the troops, and this is what's required. And that was moving. But if it's true in that room, it's true here. And here's the other thing that he helped me understand about the Lord's discipline. And this is really important. Do you realize that not all discipline is punitive? Not all discipline is punitive. We submit ourselves to discipline all through life that is uncomfortable at the time because we believe what it will bring about. So not, not all discipline is punitive. And it kind of, this bomb went off in my head where I was like, oh, so God could be allowing me to suffer, not because I did anything wrong or anything bad or because he's disappointed in me. He just sees this needs to happen. And so he's allowing this hardship to happen in my life to bring about a greater good later, not all discipline is punitive. And I immediately went back to the season in my life that I've talked about a few times when I was an assistant football coach for a small private school. And the head coach was a man that I loved named Robert McCready, Coach McCready. Coach McCready was a recon Marine in Vietnam, baby. He crawled around shirtless in tunnels, rooting out the Viet Cong. He was a tough son of a gun. And he ran tailback for Auburn in the 60s. And we would have summer workouts, optional for the team. Optional because you don't have to come, but if you don't come, you will never play. So optional, right? We'd have summer workouts. And the first thing he would do in these summer workouts is he would line the team all up and he would tell them to get on the ground and do stretches and do pushups and do sit-ups. He would lay them on the grass. And the grass in the South, you know, is covered with dew. And he called these exercise dew soakers. That's what he called them. I'm going to roll them around and get them to soak up the dew in their shorts and in their shirts so that we can have a dry field to practice on. And the dew is going to make them uncomfortable and teach them to be tough. So suck it up. These are dew soakers. Now listen. Had any of those kids done anything wrong? No. Did any of those kids do anything to deserve having to soak up the dew? Yeah, they showed up. That's discipline. It's uncomfortable. It's painful at the time. But it was to bring about a result later. By the way, we won back-to-back-to-back championships. So, you know, do some do-soakers. Pretty good. We have a way of thinking about discipline and even assigning it to God. Is it possible that God's allowing pain in our life that somehow that's punitive pain? That's not how we think about discipline in other areas of our life. It's just something that we need. And here's the better way to think about it. And Hebrews 12 actually frames it up for us. Hebrews 12, verse 11. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it. And so what he explains is, yeah, there's times in our life where we go through painful experiences. And no discipline at the time is pleasant. Soaking the dew with your shorts and letting it get on your underwear and make you uncomfortable while you run around for two and a half hours is unpleasant. But it brought about a result that they were all committed to. This is how the Lord's discipline and pain works in our life. One of the most difficult seasons that I've ever been through in my life was from about fourth grade to somewhere in sixth grade when I was bullied pretty badly by kids in my neighborhood. I know that you look at me and you're like, but Nate, you're so cool and charismatic and awesome. How could that possibly happen? It's a crazy time. But I had these older kids that lived in my neighborhood. And a good instance is there was one day where they had found these industrial-sized rubber bands. And they snipped them so they were just long. And they hid in the bushes. They got off the bus before I did. So they hid in the bushes at the bus stop and they waited for me to get off the bus. And they chased me home home popping me with these rubber bands in my ears and my neck and in my legs and making me cry. And I can sense that some of you are taking joy in this story. Alright? I'm going to preach about repentance next week. You need to deal with that. But they sent me home making me cry and they called me names. And it was a really hard season. It really was a season of profound bullying. And I honestly, as I think about it now, I have this vivid memory of sitting on the couch with my mom, with her holding me as I'm crying because I've just been bullied again. And she's crying. And she said, I wish I could be bullied for you, which is the instinct of every parent. Of course, of course. John fell down yesterday and scraped his knee. And my first thought was, I wish I could fall for you, buddy. That's the instinct. And so as painful as it was for me, I think there's an argument to be made that it would be more painful for my mom. But that was a season of hardship. But let me tell you something. I was talking with a friend this week. And I told him that being a pastor is weird. And I'm not trying to elicit your sympathy here. This is for a point, okay? And I think it illustrates it well. I don't mean to talk about myself in this way. But I said, being a pastor is weird. Because I don't know if you've ever thought about this or not, but when you're a pastor, everyone that you meet in your whole life instantly has an expectation of your behavior. It's just true. Everyone I ever meet, as soon as they learn my profession, they have a backlog of things that they think I should live up to. We may agree about those ideas, we may not, but that's what they think. Because I was bullied and given a thick skin and able to learn important lessons about not letting the opinions of others impact how I think about myself or how I feel, I am able with that reality to say this. This might sound harsh to you. And I don't mean it to be. It's just the truth. I have developed, between me and God and people that I love, standards for myself and my behavior. And I see that it is my responsibility to live up to God's expectations of me and live up to my expectations of myself for my behavior. And if my expectations for myself align with yours, wonderful. If they don't, there's other churches. Take off. Doesn't matter. Not going to affect me. Why can I do that? Because God allowed me to be bullied from fourth to sixth grade and insisted that I develop a tough skin because I believe that he saw down the road what he was going to ask me to do, what my assignment was going to be. At the time, the discipline was painful, but I believe wholeheartedly that it had a greater purpose. And I can tell you earnestly that I'm grateful for those years in my life because of who they fashioned me into to prepare me for the road that God was going to have me walk later. Yeah? I don't know what you're dealing with. a fruit down the years that you can't see. But I do know that it's possible. And I know that if every time we endure hardship and pain, we put it in that first box of just pain that deserves empathy. And this is terrible and woe is me and sometimes life is hard. That we miss the larger box of the rest of our pain that is imbued with purpose and allowed by God because he loves us too much not fashion us. Into the people that he created us to be. And so I very simply. Want to invite you this morning. As you go through grief and stress. And suffering and trials. To regard those things. As something that quite possibly. God has allowed in your life because he loves you too much to not fashion you into the person he's created you to be. And the final encouragement with that in mind, and is it possible that God's allowed pain in my life because it's going to bring about a greater good? The final encouragement I have for you is this, Hebrews 12, 12. I told you we were coming back to it. You probably forgot, but I didn't. Verse 12, therefore strengthen your feeble arms and weak knees, which allows me to put on the screen. My favorite thing I've ever put on the screen at grace, suck it up, buttercup deal with it. It might be good. Strengthen your feeble arms and your weak knees. Bear up under it. God might have a purpose for this. And it's quite possible that you can get decades down the road and be very grateful for the pain that you're complaining about right now. So let's think about suffering that way too. It's not all terrible and purposeless and awful. Some of it God means for us. And I believe it's possible that the pain you're enduring right now will be something that you see with gratitude and retrospect. So suck it up. Let's pray. Father, thank you for this morning. Thank you for the times in our life that are hard, that we don't understand. Thank you for the way that you fashion us, for the fact that you love us too much to abscond on your duty as a father and leave us to our own devices. Thank you for your discipline. Father, I pray that for those of us who are hurting, for those of us who are going through a hard time, God, if that is a season that evokes and warrants your empathy and your weeping, would we rest in that? But Father, if it's possible that it's a season that's simply you loving us by allowing us discomfort now for a greater glory and good later, God, I pray that we would invite that and allow that and appreciate that. Father, I lift up grace to you. Lift up these people in our church. I'm so grateful for it. I'm so grateful for them. I'm so grateful for you. Let us have a good time celebrating with our families today and tomorrow. In Jesus' name, amen.

All right, well, good morning. You already know my name is Nate. I got introduced earlier. Thank you for being here on Mother's Day. These two are laughing because I'm preaching directly to you for the whole service. Right there in the middle. Thanks for being here. I like Mother's Day. I love the celebration of Mother's Day. I'm genuinely sorry that we don't have enough seats for everyone. We don't normally dedicate 11 babies and their subsequent families. And I'm also sorry if you had issues parking. But if you did, you could always just be on time and then, you know, not a problem. Before I just launch into the sermon, it's important to me on Mother's Day to express this. Mother's Day is a good day, and you get to express your gratitude for your mom. And mamas deserve to be celebrated. They work harder than dads. They just do. And I hope that you have a good mom that you're able to celebrate today. And if you're married, I hope you're able to celebrate your wife who's a good mom. And so it should be a joyful day. But I also know, because I've experienced some, that Mother's Day sometimes comes with mixed emotions. Sometimes it's been pretty recent since we lost our mom, and so Mother's Day becomes difficult. Or maybe we didn't have a great mom, and so Mother's Day kind of induces envy or disappointment. Or maybe we want desperately to be a mom and we are not. And so Mother's Day causes us to want and to be sad. So what I want to do before I just launch into the sermon that has absolutely nothing to do with Mother's Day, I just want to pray for the good mamas in the room and in our lives, but also pray for those of us for whom Mother's Day is challenging. So pray with me, and then we'll get started. Father, we thank you for the good moms, for the ones that love well, that show up, that show us you, that nurtured us and cared for us. And we thank you for the opportunity to celebrate them. We thank you for the mamas in the room now. And I thank you, God, for the multiple generations in the room. And so we thank you for the good ones and the blessing that they are. God, I also just want to lift up those for whom today is challenging. For whatever reason that it might be challenging. Would they feel your presence? Would they feel your arms wrapped around them? Would they be comforted in the unique way that only you can do? I just lift them up to you, God. In Jesus' name, amen. All right, we are in a series. And when I said this has nothing to do with Mother's Day, I'm being serious. We're in a series called Frequently Asked Questions, FAQ. And we sussed it out to our small groups to generate some questions for us that we could address over a period of five or six weeks. And we've been moving through and kind of addressing some of those questions. Today, we got a lot of questions on doubt. We got a lot of questions around doubt. How much doubt is okay? When is it all right to doubt? What do I do with my doubt? How do I handle my doubt? Or I have these specific questions and I don't know the answers to them. And one of the reasons why I thought it might be appropriate to put it here today is because I'm not sure. I remember when I was 19 or 20 years old, I was part of a ministry called Young Life. And I grew up in church. Christianity is foundational to me. I have no memories that precede church. I was there every Sunday morning, every Sunday night, every Wednesday night. And if there was a weekend event, I was there too. So Christianity is a big part of my life. And so it made sense that in college, I would do the thing that good Christians do. Cause the environment that I grew up in was, um, if you're a good Christian, then become a, like go professional, be a really good one and be a minister, start getting paid for your Christianity. If you can't do that, get a good job in tithe. That was pretty much the idea. And I decided I was going to try to go pro. So I'm doing young life. And I remember having a conversation with the guy that led our team, a guy named Brian Krawczyk. I reached out to him one day and I said, hey, man, I really need to talk. And I went over to his little basement apartment. And I remember sitting there in tears saying, I'm not sure if I believe that God is real anymore. And he said, okay, you know, why are you thinking that? And I said, well, it started with my prayers because it feels like when I pray that my words are bouncing off the ceiling and back down to me and that they don't really mean anything. And it's just me talking to myself. And because I don't know if I believe that prayer actually works and because I don't know if my words are actually reaching the ears of some God somewhere, I don't know that I can believe in God anymore. And because I don't know if I can believe in God anymore, I don't know if I can continue to minister with you because it's inauthentic and doesn't make any sense. And I was kind of crying the whole time. And Brian responded to me rather ineloquently by saying, Nate, get a grip, dude. You believe in God. It's going to be okay. See you tomorrow night. That was pretty much it. I mean, that was along the short of it. But, you know, I was 19. Brian was 23. We weren't exactly swimming in wisdom. So that's fine at the time. But what I really remember from that conversation is how emotional I was about it. Because I had been a Christian my whole life. And I had had these doubts simmering in the back of my mind for longer than I realized. And when I finally expressed them and gave vent to them, I thought it meant that I was going to lose my faith. And I thought it meant that because I would lose my faith, I would lose my worldview, and it would shake the foundations of my very life. And so I was scared of it, but it got so urgent and so much that I felt like I was living duplicitously to not address it. So I had to. Because if you're a believer and you've been a believer for any length of time, you've orchestrated your life probably around the teachings found in here. And so when you start to have questions about this book, or you have questions about what's taught here, or about what someone tells you is taught here, those can become very scary things because we don't know what to do with it. Because if we question it, if we pull that thread too much, the whole thing could come unraveled. And if that's what's going to happen, then we don't want to deal with it. Or we could get judged, or we could get questioned, or we could feel like we're very confused. And so I'd be willing to bet, because since that day, when I was doing Young Life, I managed to stay professional. I managed to continue to get paid for being a Christian. It's been a long time now, over 20 years. I guess it's about 25 years. Jeepers, creepers. I've sat in a lot of circles. I've sat in circles with teenagers, with middle schoolers, with children, with adults, with pastors, with atheists. I've sat in a lot of circles and I've sat with people as they had the moment that I had and said, I don't know if I can believe anymore because of this or this or this. And so what I'd be willing to bet is that a vast majority of you in the room have experienced doubt in your life. You may be here and you're not a believer and you're like, yeah, that's all I've ever experienced. I get it. I get it. And for you, your doubt is easier because you're not tethered to faith. You're not tethered to Christianity. So it's not, it doesn't cause an emotional response to have it. You just have it. And that's fine. But for a believer, it's tethered to things. It's connected. It's all woven in. And so if we pull that thread, we worry that we may disappoint the people around us, that we may not know what to do with our world and with our faith. And so even though everybody in this room, at least I think, has experienced a season of doubt in their life or has questions that are yet unanswered, even though we've experienced that, I'm not sure that as a church we talk about how to handle it well. So that's what I want us to do this morning, is if we can agree, and I don't know if you do or you don't, but if we can agree that yes, I've walked through seasons of doubt in my life, or I'm currently right now experiencing profound doubt, and I have questions that go unanswered. Wonderful. Let's look at scripture and see what we should do with that doubt. By looking at the OG doubter of all doubters, Thomas. There's a guy named Doubting Thomas in the Bible. He's the captain of the doubt team. And so we're going to look at his doubt and we're going to look at how Jesus handles it more importantly. And then we're going to think about how that impacts how we should handle our doubt. John chapter 20, verses 24 through 29. Now Thomas, also known as Didymus, which pretty clear why I went by Thomas, one of the 12 was not with the disciples when Jesus came. So when Jesus came back, he had died, he'd been buried, he resurrected, he came back, he visited the disciples. For whatever reason, Thomas wasn't there. Probably working on a name change. So the other disciples told him, we have seen the Lord. But he said to them, unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where their nails were and put my hand into his side, I will not believe. A week later, his disciples were in the house again and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, peace be with you. Then he said to Thomas, put your finger here. See my hands? Reach out your hand and put it in my side. Stop doubting and believe. Thomas said to him, My Lord and my God. Then Jesus told him, Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed. So we see the story, and it's a famous story, and maybe you've heard it before. Most of you probably have. And because of that story, we assign him the moniker Doubting Thomas. That's how he's known. And we do that because it's a negative thing, because Jesus tells him, it's in the text, stop doubting and believe. It's almost like a command or instruction from God, stop doubting and believe. And so the way that we tend to handle doubt is we tend to say that it comes from a weak faith or a lack of understanding, or if you'd only like do the work or whatever it might be, but we feel bad about it. And we feel like if Jesus could talk to us about it, he might say, stop doubting and believe. And here's what makes it really, really tough is when we grow up in church and we see the adults that are leading us, or we look at the generation before us and we see how they live out their faith and they never seem to be the one asking the doubt questions. The children ask the doubt questions. High schoolers are free to do it. College sometime. And then by the time you get in men's group, you better, you better be buttoned up and know the answers and quit asking those questions. You dumb, dumb,, that's kind of how we treat it. And so we don't ask those questions. And we bottle them up. Because we think doubt isn't allowed. We think, as church people, that doubt isn't allowed. That'll be up there on the screen in just a second. We think doubt isn't allowed. That's your first blank, for those of you who do that. And we think it's not allowed because we think it's typically frowned upon, or that we'll be judged for it, or that we're scared of it, and we just need to put our head down and believe. But what I want you to see this morning is how Jesus meets your doubt, because I think there is this erroneous idea in the church that when we have doubts, we're supposed to just believe. Stop doubting and believe, Jesus says. And so the church has parroted that teaching through the centuries and said, just tuck that away and believe. But let me go back to verse 27 and show you what Jesus does to Thomas' doubt. Verse 27. Then he said to Thomas, put your finger here. See my hands? Reach out your hand and put it in my side. Stop doubting and believe. I don't know if you noticed this when I read it. I wouldn't have because when other people are reading scripture to me, I barely pay attention. So if you didn't get it, don't worry. Jesus shows up and Jesus knows that Thomas has not believed him. Jesus knows that Thomas didn't believe the disciples. The disciples told him about Jesus and he said, no,, not buying it, not yet. Now, here's what I'd like to say about that doubt, too. It's easy to think of Thomas as a skeptic and going, I'm not believing it until I can see it. No way. But this is, I'm guessing, okay? I'm guessing. You don't have to agree with me on anything, but you definitely don't have to agree with me on this, okay? I'm guessing at this, not in the text. I'm just guessing. I think it's more likely than not that Thomas' main motivation in that doubt was that he thought it was too good to be true and is trying to protect his heart. Thomas loved Jesus. He left everything in his life to follow him nomadically for three years, to basically live in poverty and on handouts for three years to follow this man around and learn from him. And Thomas was expecting that Jesus was going to become a king and he would be in his inner circle of influential people. So not only does he love Jesus, but he's hung his hat on the hope of a future with Jesus. And then he shows up and they say, hey, Jesus is risen. And he says, I'm not going to believe it until I can touch him. It just doesn't sound like to me that he was skeptical of the disciples and didn't trust them or didn't believe it was possible. I think it's most likely that there was something good motivating his doubt, which was probably that's too good to be true. And my heart can't handle it if it's not. So I'm going to hope that it is and wait until I see him. Now, that's a guess. Don't know. It's conjecture. But that makes sense to me. And so Jesus shows up and apparently he knows that Thomas doesn't believe him, doesn't believe the disciples. He knows that he doubts Jesus. And Jesus has every right to show up in the room and say, peace be with you. And then just stand back with his arms folded, waiting for Thomas to come check out what he needs to check out. He has every right to do that. He has every right to at least wait until Thomas comes to him and shakes his hand. That's not what he does. If you read the text, he walks in the room. He says, peace be with you. And then he walks over to Thomas and he says, hey man, here are my hands. Touch them if you need to. Here's my side. Touch that if you need to. Okay, you good? Do you get what you need? Okay, stop doubting and believe. Jesus met Thomas in his doubt. Jesus met Thomas in his doubt. And let me tell you something. If you are in a season of doubt, if you have doubted, if you have questions, Jesus will meet you there. He will not wait for you to come to him. He's not sending back arms folded, disappointing that you don't know the answers to some things and that is starting to really nag you. And there's different kinds of doubt. There's lingering doubt that just kind of there and you can kind of ignore it. And sometimes people talk about it, but eventually it becomes urgent doubt where you're me crying in someone's office going, I don't know if I can carry this faith anymore because I have these questions that have become so big that I can't ignore them. But in those questions and in those seasons, if Jesus goes to Thomas, walks in the room, hey everybody, Thomas, here. Don't you think he does that for us? Don't you think he meets us in our doubt? I don't think that we have to fear it being not allowed because I am convinced that Jesus meets us in our doubt. And what happened was Thomas was experiencing doubt. Then he had a personal encounter with Christ. And Jesus, as a result of offering him that encounter and meeting him there, says, okay, now stop doubting and believe. This also is a subtle way to communicate with us and to remind us that belief is a choice. Believing in anything is a choice. I believe the Canes are going to take the series in five. I do. That's a choice. And I'm putting my heart on the line. It might get broken. Not really. It wouldn't break my heart. I'd be like, oh, that's a bummer for Christmas Artorias. And then I'd move on with my day. All belief in anything is a choice. It's choosing to believe in Jesus, that he is who he says he is, did what he said he did, is going to do what he says he's going to do, and hanging the hat of our hopes for our future on him. It's exactly what Thomas did. I love you, and everything in my future is anchored on you. That's what belief is, is to say, I'm going to choose to love you, I'm going to choose to believe in you. And I'm going to choose to place my hope in you for my future. That's what it is to believe. And it is a choice. There will never be enough proof one way or the other to completely convince us one way or the other with absolute certainty. So all belief at any point is a choice. This is why in Romans 8, Paul says, let me get my thoughts together on it. He says, we hope, something like in this we hope. And he says, we hope, who hopes for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience. So what he's saying is we hope in the redemption that Christ offers. And you don't have to hope in things that you can see. But since we're hoping for what we can't see, we wait for it with patience. And I've mentioned this a couple of times before. Do you realize that in eternity, in heaven with God, we have no more use for hope and faith? Those fade away with the world. We don't need hope in heaven. It's been answered. It's been satisfied. We don't need faith in heaven. He's right there. But on this side of eternity, we have to have faith and we have to have hope. And where we put it is a choice. And so Jesus is saying to Thomas, I've given you what you asked for. I've shown up for you. Now make the choice to believe in me and to be done with your doubt. But he doesn't ask him to do it until he shows up. Several years ago, I was in Honduras with a group of high school seniors. And after Bible study one night, one of the girls, a girl named Allison, came up to me and she said, hey, can we talk? And she had some doubts. She grew up like I did, Christian family, except she had some older siblings who had kind of, I wouldn't even say deconstructed or moved away from the faith. They just kind of disengaged, deprioritized it. And it was messing with her. And their reasons for doing so were messing with her. And she didn't really know how to handle it or what to do. And she asked some questions, and I was honest with her. I said, those are good questions, and I don't have good answers for you right now. I said, but here's what I hope for you. Here's what I hope for you. I hope that you can have a personal encounter with Christ. So tomorrow we're going to go to a village and we're going to be in the back of a truck and we're going to be handing out bags of rice to the women in that community. And I said, sometimes we see Jesus in his work. When we do his work, we meet him there. And the way it works is some dudes get in the back of the truck and they grab the bags and they hand them down. But there's people at the end who are sitting and they're the ones handing the rice to the Honduran women. And I said, when we go tomorrow, Allison, what I want you to do is I'm going to make sure that you get on the end of the truck. And I want you to look those women in the eyes as you serve them with the love of Christ. And I just, and I want you to pray that you have an encounter with Christ there, that you see him in their eyes. And she came back to me crying after the event. She says, I saw it. I saw it. I don't know what it is. I can't explain it, but Jesus showed up today. And that helps me. And see, these personal encounters with Christ, when he shows up in our life in a meaningful way, serve as anchors for our faith. So that when we do encounter things that we don't understand and we encounter questions that are hard to answer and we have lingering doubts that we've never approached and we just don't know what to do with it. But when we've had these irrefutable personal encounters with Christ, when he's shown up in our life in a meaningful way and we see his presence, we can anchor our faith there and it tethers us together between our doubts and makes it easier to hold our doubts. And here's the other thing I'll say real quick. Parents in the room, the better you handle your doubts, the more you have to offer your children in theirs. I think part of the reason that so many people have moved away, who grow up in the church, move away from the church, particularly in this era of what's called deconstruction, is because they start to experience doubts in college and early adulthood, and they go to their parents with questions, and their parents are like, yeah, I never figured that out either. And they're like, okay, well, then see ya. The better you handle yours now, the better you can help them with theirs then. But we don't do this. We tuck it away. And what I prayed for Allison that day is that like Thomas, she would have a personal encounter with Christ that would anchor her faith in such a way that Jesus could say to her, Allison, I've showed up for you. Do you believe me? Okay, well then stop doubting and believe. And stop doubting doesn't mean not having those questions. It just means being comfortable with holding them until we can get them answered. I'm reminded of the passage that I love that I remind you guys of sometimes in the gospels where Jesus tells the crowds, it was getting, Jesus had this way. Uh, he had this very intentional way of thinning the herd. Anytime his ministry got too big, he said something that self that sounded crazy. And half the people were like, okay, we'll see you later. And the craziest one he ever said is before he had died in resurrection and installed communion, he said, I tell you the truth, you cannot follow me unless you eat of my flesh and drink of my blood. And people like, yo, cannibalism's kind of, that's a line for me. Can't do it. And so a bunch of people left and Jesus looks at his disciples and he says, are you going to leave me too? And Peter says, one of my favorite things in the Bible, he says, you are the Christ, the son of God. Where are we going to go? Meaning, I don't understand what you just said. Or in our case, I don't have answers to all of my questions, but I know that you're Jesus. Where else can I go? But these personal encounters, when Jesus encounters us personally, it's only then that he says to us, now choose to believe and hold your doubts well, or stop doubting them or start letting them prohibit your belief. And I would say this too about doubt, as opposed to it being not allowed, I would say that doubts, often doubt is an indication of health. Very often these doubts that we carry is an indication of a healthy, more robust faith. It would be very problematic if your faith and your understanding of your faith was the exact same as it was at whatever point in your life you became saved. I shared last week that I got saved when I was four and a half because they scared me with hell. And I was like, I don't want to do that. And so then I got saved. If I still had that same understanding of my faith that brought me to salvation in the first place, that would be remarkably unthoughtful and unprogressive. We ought to mature in our faith and better understand our faith. And we ought to question and poke and prod our faith so that it can become ours and so that it can become something that we hold. Not something that we're mimicking from someone else, but something that we own because we've been satisfied intellectually and emotionally and spiritually with the robustness of this faith that we've progressed towards. And some of us grew up in traditions, Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, whatever. Some of us grew up in traditions and you've never been outside that tradition. And you just took all the answers that the pastors and the teachers gave you about all the things, and that's just what you've believed too. And I can't tell you, I can't speak for other pastors, I can speak for me. I am certain, I've been preaching for eight years, I am certain that in that time, I've taught you some wrong stuff. Probably this morning. Who knows? I'm certain I've made mistakes. I'm certain that I have said things that it would actually serve you better to disagree with than to just accept. And I would be deeply concerned for you and the way you think about your faith if you've been listening to me preach for eight years and you go, I've never had any questions. That would be remarkably unthoughtful, wouldn't it? Don't you think it's remarkably unthoughtful to grow up as a Baptist and just assume that they're right about everything all the time ever, even though there's like myriad other denominations that all seem to have some good ideas and some smart people too. Doubts and questions are more often than not an indication of a healthy faith, of a thoughtful and ultimately a more robust faith. Conversely, unexpressed doubt is a cancer. Unexpressed doubt is deeply unhealthy. Those questions that linger, that we never resolve, that we never give vent to because we're afraid of what the answers might be or because it's going to be hard or because it requires work or because people might look down on us or whatever it is. Those questions that we have about our faith that we don't answer, those are not healthy. Having doubt is healthy. It's indication of being thoughtful and serious about our faith. But unexpressed doubt that we just hold and we never deal with and we push down, that's a cancer in our faith that tears it down from the inside out. So if we are experiencing those, we have to find ways to express them. Two final encouragements for you about that. So let's say that we've moved through, we've experienced doubt, we can agree that that happens to us from time to time. We see the way that Jesus met Thomas and his doubt. We know that Jesus meets us there. Then after he meets us and we have a personal encounter with him, he says, okay, now choose to believe and no longer doubt. And then we go, okay, I want to do that, but I still need to exercise these things. What do I do? Well, here's the first thing I would encourage you with. The truth has nothing to fear from doubt. The truth has nothing to fear from doubt. There is this attitude in Christian circles, particularly conservative ones, that if we learn too much, we might walk away from our faith. That's stupid. Don't let your children read too many books. They might learn things that make this untrue. Okay, well, then it was never true. And why are you holding your kid back with that? I heard, this is true. I heard multiple times as I was getting educated in church. I went to a conservative Bible college, and then I went to seminary at a conservative place, and I heard multiple times, oh, so-and-so is going to Duke. Oh, Duke's, they're liberal. They're going to, a bunch of atheist professors over there, they're going to teach them the wrong stuff. That person's going to lose their faith. And there was this attitude of you had to stay in the conservative strand. You couldn't go learn more information about your faith from other perspectives because it's going to cause you to lose your faith. As if the truth has something to fear from doubt and new ideas. And what I'm here to tell you is God's truth and the reality of God and the saving work of Christ is not threatened by your doubt and it is not threatened by more truth. And if we can learn so much that this faith becomes not true, then it never was. And we ought to quit encouraging one another to bury our heads in the sand and just accept things sometimes because that's not a healthy faith. We can say, that's a hard question, I don't know what the answer to that is yet, but God showed up in my life in this way, and I am choosing to believe in him until he helps me resolve this. We can do that. And so when I say that truth has nothing to fear from doubt, it's also an encouragement to you to do the work. If you are someone who carries lingering doubt, if you have questions that have never been answered, if they bother you, do the work. Have the conversations. Ask people who have more Christian life experience than you if they've ever had these questions before. I promise you, you will relieve people by being honest with them about what you wonder about. This should be phenomenal discussion in small groups. It would be so good and rich in your small groups if somebody were brave enough to say, yeah, I've always wondered about this. I've never really known how to handle it. Like the ark. Is that real? Come on. That's a great question. Let's talk about that. We should be doing those things. So do the work. Have the conversations. Read the books. Listen to the podcasts. Go out and figure it out. And don't be scared of what's going to happen when you pull the thread of that doubt. Because I am confident because it's happened to me multiple times. There have been times when I have had questions that have lingered for years and I said, I have to explore these and figure them out because if I have to continue to maintain this teaching or this thing, I can no longer be a pastor because I cannot maintain that. And then in doing the work that I thought would lead me away from faith, what I found was a stronger faith because I had a more robust understanding of my faith. So if you have doubts, do the work. Don't be scared of what's there and don't be embarrassed by your questions. If anything, ha, how about this? Be embarrassed by your cowardice, sissy. Ask the question. The other thing that I want to encourage you to do in your doubts is to pray for what Jesus gave Thomas. Pray for what I've experienced multiple times in my life and what Allison experienced in Honduras. Ask Jesus to meet you in your doubt. Say, Jesus, I doubt. I don't understand. I can't quite get to belief or my belief is being challenged or eroded because I don't understand this, Jesus. Ask Jesus to meet you in your doubt. And I'm going to pray that he would meet you even this week and open your eyes and let you see him and go, okay, he just showed up. I'm going to use this to anchor me for a little while while I do the work that I need to do to answer the questions. But we need to remove the stigma from doubt as if it's a bad thing. We need to open it up. We need to see it as healthy. We need to do the work and have the conversations. And in doing so, we can, as a church, have a much more mature, genuine, sturdy, healthy, rich, full faith. Let's pray. Father, thank you for this morning. Thank you again for all the babies and all the families and all the friends and all the folks. Thank you for what you're doing at Grace. Thank you for the way that you're blessing us with these families. We pray earnestly, God, that we would be good stewards of them. Father, if there's anyone in the room who is experiencing doubt, who has questions, I pray that they would be brave enough to ask them. That they would be courageous enough to see them through and to let you meet them there. I pray that you would strengthen our faith through these doubts that we have sometimes, these questions that go unanswered. And God, for those of us that need you to meet us this week, I pray that you would. Would you just show up in profound ways that leave people dumbfounded at the way that you showed up and the reality of who you are? I thank you again for the mothers and pray that they would be celebrated well as we go through our days. In Jesus' name, amen.

Well, good morning. It's good to see everybody. Thanks for being here. My name is Nate. I get to be one of the pastors of grace. Somebody over there is stinky because this side is full. You guys, I don't know what you're avoiding over here, but this is ridiculous. It's good to see you. Thanks for coming in May in the rain. I keep expecting for us to get over. There's always a bump in attendance in the spring, January, February, March. And that usually lasts until Easter. And then you guys go to the beach like for the whole until August. I don't see you again. So I keep expecting that every week and you keep showing up. So I'm just I'm going to threaten you with this. You keep showing up. We're going to two services in the fall. OK, you just have to deal with it. I also just want to praise God sincerely for this. Gibby, our worship pastor, Aaron Gibson, Gibby. We have too many Aarons around here, so I have to give them all nicknames, except for Aaron Buchanan. He's just Aaron, which makes sense. If you know him, that fits. Gibby's sick as a dog this morning. Like legit could barely talk to me when he got in this morning. He was late. He was later than he normally is because he's sick. So he can sneeze in the lobby now. But you wouldn't believe how often we look at each other on a Sunday morning and go, I feel terrible. I don't know if I can preach. I don't know if I can sing. And we just pray for God to give us 30 good minutes. And He always does. He always does. That was fantastic. I was moved to tears. It's so fun and good to be a singing church, especially since I inherited a bunch of frozen Presbyterians eight years ago. We've had to work on that a little bit. If you know, you know. This morning we continue in our series that Haley mentioned called FAQs, where we sourced some questions out to the small groups, solicited some responses, and just said, hey, what is it that you're curious about? What do you want to know? What questions do you have? And so we took kind of the most common ones and we said, let's talk about these on a Sunday. And I'm particularly excited to talk about this topic this morning because I feel it's so important. And it came up a lot in a bunch of different ways. But it's basically questions about understanding the doctrine of salvation. What does it mean to be saved? How do I know I'm going to heaven? Am I going to be saved forever? Can I lose it? Why does the question we're going to focus on at the beginning of our time this morning is why does God accept deathbed confessions, which is an interesting question, but there was a lot of questions around this doctrine of salvation and seeking to understand what it does mean to be saved and having a better understanding around that. And I think it's such an important question because once we get into church world, we kind of stop asking about salvation because I think we feel like we're supposed to know. And so we're embarrassed to ask. But here's what I know is that my understanding of salvation has worked progressively through my life that with each year or decade that passes, I come to understand salvation and what it is a little bit better. And I think that your understanding of salvation should progress as well. Even if you're here this morning and you're not a believer, there's a reason you're in church on a random May in the rain. And it has to be because you're at least curious. You're at least thoughtful about it. And so I would love to have the opportunity to tell you more about what it means to be a Christian. And I want the Christians in the room to understand their salvation more deeply. Because it's my suspicion that everybody here who is a Christian has at some point in their life, and many of you, and I have to, I hope that you'll trust me this morning that I'm not trying to be hard on anybody. I'm not trying to make you feel small for the way that you think. I'm not trying to make you feel uneducated or dumb. I just think this is a necessary phase of our understanding of our salvation that every Christian goes through. And I also know from experience that many Christians spend their entire life kind of misunderstanding the doctrine of salvation and being overly reductive about the incredible miracle that it is and what it actually means. And so this morning, what I'm hoping to do is to give us all a more rich understanding of our salvation. So either we're kind of locked into how we initially understand it, and this will kind of open up our minds and help us understand it better, God and more grateful to him for the miraculous event and process of our salvation. So that's where we're going this morning. That's what I want to do. To get there, I want to start with this question that came up in our emails, which is why does God accept a deathbed confession? This is an interesting question because it belies the motives behind it. And the motives behind that question generate a lot of the other questions that we have around salvation. This question comes most of the time from a sense of jealousy or resentment or entitlement or frustration. This question is most likely, and if you're the one that asked this, please hear me. It makes sense to ask it. I understand why you would. Every Christian has asked it. It's asked so often that Jesus talks about it in the Bible, and we're about to go to exactly where Jesus answers this question. But I want us to understand why we're asking it first. Let's just put it out there and be honest about it, because all of us do it. And again, I don't want anyone to feel bad for asking this question. I just want to understand why it comes up. The main motive in my estimation behind this question, why would God accept a deathbed confession, is essentially this, if we're going to use real language. I've been saved for decades. And I've been denying myself and keeping it between the ditches and trying to follow God's rules for years. And I've lived without the freedom of a pagan. And I'm going to use the word pagan this morning because a pagan is someone who doesn't believe in God. I'm not trying to be dismissive of those people, of non-believers. It's just pagans easier to say than non-believer? So we as Christians, and we know this, especially those of us that were Christians in high school and college, we are jealous of the freedom of the pagan, right? We're jealous of what they get to do and what we can't do. We've spent our life trying to follow the rules, trying to do the right things, trying to live the right way. And now here's this person who spent their life as a free pagan doing whatever they wanted to do, following any rules that they felt like they needed to follow, never committed to God, no fidelity, didn't put in the work that I did. And now at the very end, they're just going to slip in the door and we're going to the same heaven. That's not fair. I know it's hard to hear that out loud, but I can see about half of you grinning at me right now. You'll all have these smirks on your face like, yeah, that's pretty true. You got me. We've all thought that, and it's okay to think that. It makes sense why we would. It makes sense that we would think that. But here's Jesus' answer to that question. Why does he accept deathbed confessions? This is actually a parable. In the Gospel of Matthew, you can turn to chapter 20 if you want to. I'm going to read you verses 13 through 16, but first I need to tell you what's going on. Somebody comes up to Jesus and they ask this question. And so Jesus tells this story. He says there's an owner of a vineyard and he goes out one day where he can get some day laborers. And I've told you before, Israel was a poor country. They were impoverished. And so there was hubs where you would go and you could get men to come and put in a day's labor at whatever business you owned. And this was their livelihood. This was all that. They just hope they got picked that day. That was their livelihood. And so there's these people and the owner goes and he says, hey, I need y'all to come work for me in my vineyard. I'm going to pay you one denarius. I don't know how much that is. I could have done the research on what it was, but that feels like a waste of time. Google it if you care. I'm going to give you one denarius. And they're like, okay, great deal. So they go with him, they get in the Ford Ranger and they go to the vineyard and they start to work, right? And I don't know why Ford Ranger is funny, but it is. And they start to work and they're working all day. About the middle of the day, some other workers come by the field and they go, hey, we're looking for work. Can we help you today? And the owner says, yeah, sure. Come on. You can work for me. And so they start working by the middle of the day. And then about the last hour of the day, some other workers show up and they go, hey, we're looking for work. Can we work for you? The owner says, that's great. Yeah, come on. And they're working for him. So then when the work's done, the owner lines them up and begins to pay them. And he starts with the first group of workers that he hired that morning. Here's your one denarius for your day's labor. Thank you very much. And then he goes to the group that he hired in the middle. And he says, here's your one denarius. Thank you very much. And then he goes to the group that he hired with just an hour to go. And he said, here's your one denarius. Thank you very much. And the guys that have been working all day are ticked. Like, that's not fair. I worked eight hours for my denarius. That dude worked two hours, worked one hour. He had missed the smoke breaks and the lunch break and everything and just came in during the last hour. That's not fair. And the owner responds to them like this in verse 13. But he answered one of them, I am not being unfair to unfair to you friend didn't you agree to work for a denarius take your pay and go I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money or are you envious because I am generous so So the last will be first. And the first will be last. I love that response. They go, hey, that's not fair. We've been working for eight hours. They've been working for one hour. And you're giving us the same pay. And he goes, what do you care? That's basically the answer. It's my money. Do you care what I do with my own possession? Do you care what I do with my own resources? What right is it of yours to tell me what I should do? I chose to be generous to him. Are you envious of my generosity? You agreed to a denarius. I gave you a denarius. They agreed to this. I gave them this. It's my resources to do with what I want. And so to our question of why does God accept a deathbed confession where the implication is, hey, I've been laboring in the vineyard all day, my whole life. I've been working at this for decades. I put in a full eight hours. And I get my salvation. I get my eternity in heaven. I get my utopia. But they just slid in at the last minute. They don't deserve what I deserve. Maybe we can believe in purgatory so they have to suffer a little bit before they get the glory that I get. This is the jealousy that we express. And in that is implied exactly what the workers were frustrated about. Hey, that's not fair. I've put in my time and my effort. I've done my work. And the pay shouldn't be the same. And here's what this does. When we ask that question and we think that way. And here's what I wanted to talk about. When we think like that, we make salvation something that we think of in terms of being in or out. And very often, there's a lot of questions that Christians ask about salvation, and the motivation behind that question is, am I in or am I out? Did I say the prayer the right way? Am I in or am I out? Am I in heaven or am I burning in hell forever? That's what we're asking. How much sinning can I do and still be saved? Can I lose my salvation or does God hold on to me and I can't lose my salvation? That's an in or out question. How do I, if I feel like I lost my salvation, can I get it back? If someone wanders away, were they ever truly saved? All these questions that we ask about salvation are indicative of this thought process of in or out. And that's how we think about our salvation. And this is the place where many of us get stuck for our whole lives. But what I want us to see is that in or out salvation is a small salvation. Thinking of it that way reduces it to something that it should have never been. And if you're there, if you think about it this way, if you've thought about it that way, I don't want you to feel bad because that in or out mentality was probably handed to you by a well-meaning teacher in your church who also adopted that, who never got a more expansive view of salvation. I got saved when I was four. I was four and a half years old. We went to a special service on Sunday night, and the teacher taught us about the doctrine of hell. And I don't know if Aaron Winston's in here, but if I find out that we're teaching our four-year-olds about hell and scaring them into salvation, that's not going to be okay. They taught us about hell. They told us what it was. And they said, do you want to go there? No. No way. That sounds terrible. What's in heaven? Well, you sing a lot. I mean, that's better than hell. Okay. What do I have to do to go to heaven? Well, you have to believe in Jesus. Deal. What do I do to believe in Jesus? Will you repeat this prayer after me? Okay. You say the words and I'll do them too. And I was saved into an in or out understanding of salvation. What four-year-old isn't going to take out a fire insurance policy by threat of hell. Of course I got saved. God in his goodness has progressed my understanding of what salvation is over the decades. But many of us get saved into this kind of faith where for us it's a matter of are we in or are we out? And when we think of it that way, we become the jealous workers in the vineyard that get upset that we've been, and some of you will understand this reference, we've been the good brother in Luke 15, the one that stayed home and worked. And then the prodigal son comes home and God lets him into heaven and throws a party for him too. And we're like, what in the world? I've been doing my part the whole time. Because for us, salvation is, am I in? Am I going to heaven? Or am I not? And many of us get saved. And with this reductive view of what salvation is, we spend the rest of our lives just trying to stay in and trying to understand what's going to keep us there. But I think that there is a much bigger, better view of salvation. And I think it's presented to us in plain language in the greatest chapter in the Bible, Romans chapter 8. I'm going to read to you what Paul writes about what salvation is. But before I do, I want you to understand where we're picking this up. The first eight chapters of Romans, the first seven chapters of Romans, are a lengthy explanation of the doctrine of salvation. It's a lengthy explanation of the doctrine of salvation. Now, also, I want to pause here before I read. I forgot to say this, and I want to make sure that we're clear on this. When I talk about salvation, when I say saved or not, I want to just pause and be very clear that we understand what this means together, okay? The way that we explain salvation at grace, and when I say we, I mean me, because I'm the one that does it. The way that we explain salvation at grace is to say, to be saved, to be a Christian means that we believe Jesus is who he says he is. He says he's the son of God who's come to take away the sins of the world. We believe that. We believe that it means that Jesus did what he said he did. He lived a perfect life. He died a perfect death and he resurrected and rescued us from death and sin and shame. And it means that we believe that he's going to do what he says he's going to do, which in Revelation 19 is to come crashing through the clouds to reclaim us and his creation and restore it back to himself and its original glory. To be a Christian is to believe that Jesus is who he says he is, did what he said he did, and he's going to do what he says he's going to do. And that to become a Christian, all we need to engage in is the fundamental repentance of Christianity, which Peter describes to us in Acts. He's preaching a sermon. Jesus has been crucified. They're hanging out in the upper room for 40 days trying to figure out what to do. The Holy Spirit descends on them. Peter goes out to the crowd and he preaches. And the sermon is, hey, that guy that you killed was the Messiah and he came to save you. And the crowd believes him. And they say, what do we do? We messed up. And Peter says, repent and be baptized. Repent of what? I believe it's the fundamental repentance of salvation, which is to repent of who you thought Jesus was before you came to agree with him about who he says he is. So to be saved, we repent of who we thought Jesus was before we moved into this moment and this process of salvation. And we accept who he says he is from his word. That's what being a Christian is. Now, Romans is the most detailed theological lesson we get in the Bible. And the first seven chapters are written to help us understand what salvation is and what God did in it and what his responsibility is, what our responsibility is. Then in Romans 8, he culminates that seven chapter argument with what I think is the greatest chapter of the Bible and the culmination of the glory of salvation. And he proclaims to us what salvation is. So I want you to hear how Paul talks about it in Romans chapter 8 and see if this can't begin to expand our view of salvation. I've got my old Bible out. This is the ESV. I was reading this passage this morning in the NIV as I was going through the sermon. Sorry, sorry, DeVos. I know I bought you a Bible and now I'm ruining it. And I just didn't, I don't like the way the NIV reads. This is way better. So if you'll indulge me, I'm going to read you from the ESV. This is the soaring doctrine of salvation that Paul gives us. Verse 19. And I'm going to read all the way down through verse 30, so buckle up. For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons in God. The creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it. In hopes that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning who have the firstfruits of the Spirit grown inwardly as we wait eagerly for the adoption of sons, the redemption of our bodies. For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope for who hopes for what he sees, but if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience. Likewise, the Spirit helps us in our weakness, for we do not know what to pray for as we ought. But the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. Okay, lock in. You may have faded away, and you're not paying attention to the words anymore, but these three verses are super important. And we know that for those who love God, all things work together for good for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew, he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his son in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And this is the important part. And those whom he predestined, he also called. And those whom he called, he also justified. And those whom he justified, he also glorified. This is Paul's soaring description of what it means to be saved and what salvation is seeking to do and what God is seeking to work in that salvation. So the first thing that we see is in the very first verse where Paul says, I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. What Paul is saying here is, whatever we had to suffer to be Christians, whatever we had to suffer to be in and to build God's kingdom, whatever that work was for the day in the vineyard, and we've put in our time, whatever suffering we've endured for the sake of the kingdom and for the sake of God is not worth comparing to the glory that will be revealed to us. In other words, there is no possible way you will spend any time at all being saved, being a Christian, being a child of God, and come to regret it. It is impossible that you would be a Christian your whole life and serve God your whole life and get to heaven and be jealous of the people who partied in college. That will not happen. As a matter of fact, what I want us to see, and Paul's talking to a persecuted church, to people who actually suffer. Very few of us, if any, have suffered for our faith. The bar to entry in the American evangelical church is so low that it costs us nothing to come. We have not suffered. Furthermore, the Bible makes it very clear that life with God is the best life possible. Scripture is replete of verses and passages that remind us that being a Christian is the best life possible. And I can go through the Rolodex, John 10.10, that I talk about all the time. The thief comes to steal and to kill and to destroy. But Jesus says, I have come that you might have life and have it to the full, have the most rich, full life possible. We're told in Psalms that at God's right hand are pleasures forevermore, that in his presence, there is a fullness of joy. We're told again in Psalms that one day in his courts is better than thousands elsewhere. We're told that we serve a God in Ephesians that is able to do immeasurably more than we can ask or imagine. We're told in John that from his fullness, we receive grace upon grace. We're told these things over and over again in scripture, that life with God is the best life possible. It's the fullest life possible. And so the reality is that if you're a Christian who's been saved your whole life and someone slips in at the last minute and they get to go to heaven too, you shouldn't feel jealousy. You should feel empathy because you just got to live your whole life with God and they missed out on all that joy. It is to our advantage to be picked up early and work in the vineyard all day. It's the life that we should desire and what we want. We should not feel jealousy to the deathbed conversion. We should feel empathy because they had to go through their whole life without God. And that's what salvation is. It's not in or out. It's with or without. You understand? It's not am I in, am I in, am I going or am I not? It's do I, am I living life with God? Am I abiding in him or am I not? And when someone is not saved, when someone doesn't know the Lord, the great tragedy is that they go through their life without experiencing the joy of the Lord and the joy of heaven. Without experiencing that relationship with him and the richness and fullness of life. We should not be jealous of that. We should be empathetic and continue to invite them in because through us spreads the fragrance of the knowledge of God. We needn't be jealous of the people who don't put in the work that we do. Because there is joy in that work. So right off the bat, Paul's not talking about in or out. Paul says with or without. And that there is no suffering that will not make it worth the glory that is to be revealed to us. Then, in the rest of this passage, we see this. And this is an important phrase. I want us to rest on it for a little bit. Salvation is a process of restoration and renewal. Salvation is a process of restoration and renewal. This is why this is important. Those words, process is important, restoration, renewal is important, and I want to show you why. But first, we're going to go to that word process. Because I think that many of us think about salvation as this moment in time. I wasn't saved. I prayed the prayer, said the confession, did whatever moment you look to where your belief changed. I wasn't saved. Then I prayed the prayer. I am saved. Done. And that's not true. Salvation is a process. And we know that salvation is a process because of what Paul writes in verse 30 that I said was really important. And those whom he predestined, he also called. And those whom he called, he also justified. And those whom he justified, he also glorified. That's a process. So let's walk through it so we understand it. Those whom he predestined, he also called. Those whom God knew before time were going to accept his invitation to salvation, he also called them to himself. With the urging of the Holy Spirit, he called you to himself. It wasn't your work that found God. It was God calling you to himself through his love and through his kindness and through his goodness. Now, I know that some of you in the room are Calvinist and you care deeply about these words. I am not and I don't. So I'm not going to last a long time there. OK, but those whom he predestined, he also called those whom he called. He also justified that justification is what many of us think of as the moment of our salvation. That's when you were set righteous. You were clothed in the righteousness of Christ. You were set right in the court of God. You were justified before him. You are no longer guilty. You were absolved from your sin because Jesus died, lived a perfect life and died a perfect death. You are now justified before God. And the good news is that in the culmination of this chapter, there's this incredibly powerful verse of the assurance of salvation where Paul writes, So once you are justified, Paul says, I am convinced that nothing can unjustify you. Nothing can unsave you. But the process doesn't stop there. Those whom he predestined, he also called. Those whom he called, he also justified. Those whom he justified, he also glorified. Now Paul speaks as if it's already been done because the work has been done. But we are not yet glorified. We are glorified when we occupy our bodies in heaven. We are glorified when we sit in the presence of God. I love that verse that he sneaks in there in the middle. We do not hope for what we see. We hope for what we do not see. So we wait for it with patience. Meaning, when we get to heaven, we don't need faith and hope anymore because we have God there. So he says that glorification is coming later. So what I want you to understand about your salvation is that it is in process. It's not done. When you are justified, you're secure. You will not be unjustified. But there is another step. And that doesn't happen until eternity. And that's what's in this text. So it's a process, I said, and that's the process. It starts at predestination, at call, at justification, and it's finished at glorification when we're in eternity with God forever. But it's also a process of renewal and restoration. We think about salvation as just our issue. It's just me and God. It's just for me. Jesus died for me, but that's not what we see in the text. In the text, we see that we groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons and the redemption of our bodies, the completion of the salvation process. But so does the world groans in the pains of childbirth waiting for its redemption and restoration as well. So what I want us to understand about salvation is it's bigger than you. It's about restoring all of creation. When God made heaven and earth in Genesis, he made it perfect. He was pleased with it. And I am convinced that it looks completely different than our earth now. And we have mucked up this earth with sin and brokenness. And that one day he will restore all things. He will return and he will make the wrong things right and the sad things untrue. And he will be with us and we will be with our God and the former things will have passed away. And he'll create a new heaven and a new earth. And he will have restored creation back to himself and its original purpose. So when Jesus dies on the cross, he's not just dying for souls. He's dying for everything that he created to restore it back to himself. Because we're told in Romans that all of creation groans for the return of the king. The earth groans for God. And when we think about salvation as being in or being out, we miss virtually everything that's said in Romans 8. We make it so overly reductive as if to think that what we're teaching the kids over there is the greatest understanding that we ever need of this incredible doctrine. And we miss out on what it truly means to be saved. Here's the last thing that I want us to understand about salvation. Being saved allows us to experience glimpses of heaven here and now. If being in heaven is being with God and not being in heaven is being without God, then as people, we are literally experiencing either hell on earth or heaven on earth. Sometimes we get glimpses of what it is when we're in God's presence, at moments with our children, a hike, a sunset, a hug, singing. When we raise our voices, every time we sing and you guys sing loud and Aaron backs off and it's just us, every time that happens, I have to stop singing because I start crying. Because that's what heaven will be like. We will sing together. And so in being believers, we get these glimpses of heaven and what it will be like. And we usher God into our life and and we invite him in, and we allow him in. This is, again, why we should not be envious of the person who gets saved on their deathbed and got, oh, you got this whole life of freedom. No, we're actually taught in Romans that we are slaves to sin. We're slaves to this bondage of corruption, but that by being saved, we are finally free from sin. We live with more freedom than anyone. We should have more joy than anyone. I said this on Easter. Easter is the most joyful day and we are the most joyful people because of the hope that we have in Christ. So I want you to see this morning. I don't know if you can tell I'm fired up about it because I really want you to understand what it means to be saved it's not it's it's too small to understand it as am I going to heaven or am I not am I in or am I out with all gentleness that's a childlike understanding of our faith. And as we grow, and as we move towards glorification through our sanctification, we should allow God to deepen our understanding of what it means to be his child. And we should understand that he's going to restore all of creation to himself, not just us. And we should understand that every day we get to live as Christians is a day that we spend in the presence of God. And at his right hand, there are pleasures forevermore. In his presence, there is fullness of joy. We should be happy and proud and grateful if we're already laboring in the vineyard because of our understanding of what salvation is and how much God loves us through it. So let's progress in that and develop a far more deep, rich, helpful, gratitude-inducing understanding of what it means to be saved. Let's pray. Father, thank you for saving us. Thank you for sending your son. Thank you for sharing him with us. Thank you for watching him suffer for us. Thank you for the promise that you will renew and restore us. Thank you for the promise that you will renew and restore creation. Thank you for who you are. God, if there's anybody here who doesn't know you, I pray that your Holy Spirit would beckon them even now to desire to be with you and begin to experience glimpses of eternity here in this life. For those of us who are saved, God, thank you. Thank you for calling us to work early. Thank you for letting us labor in your vineyard. Thank you for the joy that it brings in what it is. God, we pray all these things in the name of your son, Jesus. Amen.

Amen. Well, good morning. It's good to see you. My name is Nate. I get to be the pastor here, and I'm one of the pastors here, and I was just, sometimes for me, I know this will not surprise those of you that know me, well, sometimes for me, worship gets so overwhelming that I can't keep singing because I'm going to start crying, and then I'm going to be a mess when I get up here, and I have actual things I need to say. But I just love getting to go to church with y'all so much. And Easter makes me so happy, and rightly so. I mean, I love all the accoutrements around Easter, right? I love all the bright colors. I love the dresses. Mikey's got a seersucker suit on. I knew he would. We've got a bow tie in the room. This is fantastic. I love how joyful and energetic and bright Easter is, but it should be because Easter is the most joyful day of the year because it's the day that Jesus wins. And because we believe in that victory and in that joy, Christians are and ought to be the most joyful of all people. And I remind you every Easter of my favorite, it might be my favorite quote. It's definitely my favorite Easter quote from, I believe, Pope John Paul II, who said, For we do not give way to despair, for we are the Easter people, and hallelujah is our song. I love that truth. And this morning, as we focus on Easter, in my preparation, because I don't know if you realize this, but the Easter message is every pastor's least favorite sermon of the year. Because we have to write a sermon with maximum pressure because you brought your sons and daughters and your grandmas and your grandpas. All right. It's maximum pressure, maximum exposure, and you already know my material, right? So it's, well, I hate it every time. Every time it's out there, I just, it just looms. I'm like, what are you going to do this year, buddy? But as I was preparing, my mind was consistently drawn to this, I think, underappreciated figure in the Gospels, a woman named Mary Magdalene. Mary Magdalene was with Jesus for his entire ministry. So the disciples, we've probably heard of them. The disciples were with Jesus for his whole ministry, the 12, but there was as many as 120 people in this nomadic caravan around Jesus. And Mary Magdalene was part of that. She's mentioned 12 times by name in the Gospels, which is more than all but three of the disciples. She was very much a part of Jesus's life and Jesus's ministry. And I think to view Easter through her eyes, to experience it as she experienced it, can help us think about Easter in a new and helpful way as well. So Mary Magdalene, she's probably most famous for in this scene during Holy Week where Jesus is eating at the home of a Pharisee. And Mary comes in amidst these religious leaders, these pretentious, pious men, because once you achieve things in life, you start to think you're important. And that's what these men did, like most men do. And she shows up. And she shows up, and she's weeping. And she pulls out some perfume called Oxnard that had this incredibly strong smell. And she empties the bottle on Jesus's feet. And then she cleanses, she washes his feet with her tears and her hair and this perfume. And the Pharisees are appalled because Mary Magdalene had a reputation that prior to knowing Jesus, prior to her conversion, she was a woman of ill repute, we'll say, on Easter. She did not have a good reputation. And the religious leaders are appalled that Jesus would allow this woman to touch him, let alone wash his feet and cry on him. And Jesus, this is not the point of this morning's message, but it's such a great line. He looks at the Pharisees when they express disappointment and judgment in this, and he looks at the Pharisees and he says, when I came over here, this is a loose paraphrase, but when I walked in, you didn't shake my hand. You didn't hug me. You didn't greet me with a kiss. You didn't act excited to see me. You didn't even give me a good seat. You made me sit in the folding chair, and you're in the recliner. You didn't even care. She comes in, she sees me, she weeps, and she washes my feet, and she welcomes me with a kiss. He who has forgiven little loves little. He who has forgiven much loves much. And what Jesus is saying is that our appreciation of him operates in direct correlation with our realization of our need for him. And you Pharisees don't realize you need me, but Mary Magdalene does. And here's what's really interesting about that moment to me is I would argue, and I'm open to be wrong, but I would argue that in Jesus's life, there was two people who existed who knew what Jesus actually came to do. There was two people who knew what Jesus actually meant to do. Everybody in his life assumed that he came to sit, he was to be a physical king on a physical throne over a physical kingdom. But Jesus knew that he came to sit on an eternal throne in an eternal kingdom. And nobody realized that except for Mary Magdalene and John the Baptist. John the Baptist had died. There was no one around him who knew what he came to do anymore. There was no one around him who understood him. But I believe that Mary Magdalene alone understood who Jesus was and what he came to do. He was so misunderstood that his own disciples, the week on Palm Sunday, the week before he's crucified, is going into Jerusalem. And his own disciples are following him, debating about who gets to be what in his kingdom. I get to be the secretary of defense. I get to be the vice president. And then when that conversation doesn't go well, their mom goes to Jesus and says, will you let my sons have an honorable place in your kingdom? And he says, woman, you don't know what you're asking for. no one did because no one understood Jesus and what he came to do. Jesus knew that when he walked through those gates of Jerusalem on Palm Sunday, that he was setting in motion a series of events that was going to lead to his crucifixion and death. He knew it. He knew he was stirring up a hornet's nest. His disciples did not know that. In fact, Peter tried to talk Jesus out of it when he says, you can't go. If you go, they could arrest you. They could crucify you. This is going to be bad news, Jesus. You can't do this. And Jesus utters that famous line, get behind me, Satan. Your will is not in the Father's will. Not even Peter understood what Jesus came to do. But when Mary Magdalene went into that room with those Pharisees and with her Jesus, and she knelt and she wept and she poured that perfume, she was preparing him for burial. She knew what he was about to do. And I can't imagine what it is to sit with a friend that you love and know that he is about to die. To know that she is about to die. And it's not illness. He's going to be murdered. And she knows it. And she weeps. And I think she weeps because she probably had a sense that she was the only one who knew. And she had a sense of what was to come. But she was the only one who knew that he was going to die. And she believed in the Savior and believed that he was going to be a king, but she did not know how it was going to work out. And here she is preparing her friend for burial, knowing the road that he is about to walk. And so a few days later, he is crucified. And he is buried. And who goes in there to treat his body with spices according to the custom? Mary Magdalene. Who is at the crucifixion? Mary Magdalene. You'll remember the only disciple who had the guts to go to the crucifixion was John. The rest of them skedaddled when the water got hot. They got out of there. John went and stood next to Mary and Mary Magdalene went. She was at the crucifixion. And then she was at the grave. And then on Sunday morning she gathered the spices again and she went to the tomb. And this is what happened when she got there. On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the woman took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not find the body of Lord Jesus. While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. In their fright, the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, this is the best line in the whole Bible. Why do you look for the living among the dead? He is not here. He is risen. Mary goes to the tomb. She goes to serve her Savior. Her Savior has died. She does not know what's going to happen. She walked for three years with him. This is the man that restored her dignity, that gave her peace, that loved her when she felt very unlovable, that restored her to purpose, that gave her meaning. It was probably the first man to love her well. And she's going to serve him, no doubt at the height of grief. Hoping beyond hope that he had a plan when he hung on that cross. But she does not know what the plan is. And she goes to serve him. And she gets there. The tomb is empty. And there's two angels inside. And they said, what are you doing here? Why are you looking for Jesus? This is the place for dead people. He's not dead. Why do you look for the living among the dead? He is risen, just as he said. And she runs back to the disciples. There's another gospel that gives us this part of the story, that she's in the garden leaving the tomb, and she sees what she thinks is a gardener. And she cries out, Rabbani, which means my rabbi, my Jesus. And I don't know this to be true. This is reckless speculation. Okay, you think what you want to think. I think that the reason that God let Mary Magdalene be the one to discover the empty tomb is because she was the only one who knew he was going to be in it. And that we don't appreciate her faith enough. Maybe the most faithful figure in the Bible. She rushes back to the disciples. She tells them the tomb is empty. Jesus isn't there. He's alive. The disciples think the women are crazy, which feels on brand. And then the disciples run to the tomb. In John's gospel, he makes sure to let you know that he was the first one there. He won the race. Good job, John. And then they know that he's alive and that he has risen. And then soon he appears to them in the upper room where they've been gathered and huddled, not knowing what to do. And then Thomas gets the disrespectful and overly simplistic moniker of doubtful because he was the only one with the guts to touch the scars on Jesus' hand and feet to make sure it was actually him. But I want us to look at that Sunday morning for Mary. Mary was going to serve her Savior. She was trusting on him to show up and do something, but she didn't know what. She went to serve her Savior even when she was unsure. She went to love her Savior even when she didn't understand, even when he didn't make any sense, even when everybody around her is sitting in a room on silent Saturday wondering what to do with ourselves now because this man that we love has died, our Savior has died, the place where we put all of our faith has let us down, and I don't know how to pick up my life here anymore. I don't know how to move on from this place. Complete disillusionment, complete confusion, just complete destitution. And in the middle of that, Mary gathers spices and she goes to treat the carcass of her Savior, not knowing what was going to happen, just hoping that somehow Jesus would show up. And then she's in the garden and she says, because Jesus showed up. And Easter exists to remind us every year that Jesus always shows up. In tragedy, he's there. In triumph, he is there. In terrible times and in good times, he is there. Jesus always shows up. And when I see the azaleas bloom in the spring, I'm reminded that Easter is near. And Easter reminds me that Jesus always shows up when we need him most. When we don't even know we need him. When we don't even necessarily believe in him, Jesus still shows up and patiently waits for our faith. So if you're here and you're a believer, be reminded by Easter that Jesus always shows up. He's the only hope we have that will never fail us. He always shows up. If you're here today and you don't believe, you've been begrudgingly brought by family. Thank you for sitting quietly for a minute. But I want you to know that Jesus shows up for you too. And he will not stop. And he will keep showing up in your life and offering you his love and the dignity and the purpose and the forgiveness and the redemption and the restoration that he gave Mary. And when we receive it, we will love him as Mary did. But let Easter remind us this year that Jesus always shows up. He did then, he does now, and he will then too. Let's pray. Father, thank you for this morning. Thank you for Easter and the joy that it brings and all that it is. Thank you for the opportunity to celebrate, to love you, to reflect on you, and to celebrate the victory that you won for us against sin and shame and death and pain. Thank you that one day we will be with you and you will be with us and there will be no more weeping or crying or pain anymore for the former things have passed away. Thank you that Easter reminds us that you show up and that we can look forward to you showing up again when you come crashing through the clouds to claim us. Thank you for all that Easter is and all that it represents. I pray that we would hold it and celebrate it well. In Jesus' name, amen.

Well, good morning, Grace. I'm Erin. I do get the privilege of being one of your pastors. And as my daughter just said a second ago, an all-purpose pastor. I just found that one as a funny little whatever. So thanks, Zoe. I appreciate that. And I appreciate everyone being in the building today. I know how easy it is when you hear that Nate isn't preaching to just say that you're going to sleep in that day. I get it, and it's okay. So thank you for coming and giving me someone to speak to. I do appreciate that. And a little, for those of you guys that don't know, Nate is on his way to Istanbul, Turkey. He's going to participate for the next week in helping to train up some Iranian pastors so that they can go and preach the gospel. So he's excited and thrilled. And I just spoke with Jen and the update is, is he's in the air. He's left Germany and he's next stop is Istanbul. So keep him in your prayers as we kind of move forward this week. That would be appreciated. So I wanted to start our morning this morning with a question. And my question to you is, what are you afraid of? And I got to thinking about people's fears. I know what some of mine are. And I decided to do just a little research and see exactly what other people were afraid of. And so I Googled it. And that does count as research. Don't judge. It counts. But I Googled it, and it's amazing how many top ten lists you can find when you Google things. So a couple of ones in no particular order that popped up was aerophobia, which is the fear of flying. And I know there's probably somebody in this room that is kind of up in that category. There was also acrophobia, which is the fear of heights. I fall squarely in that category. You can ask my family. They have lots of stories of me in heights. And none of them are pretty, I promise. There was also arachnophobia. And I know this one is quite a few of y'all because they made a movie about this. It's the fear of spiders. I have an aunt who, strong woman, nurse, nothing bothered her, but a spider could send her screaming in a pass down the road. It was bad. And then there was another one called glossophobia, but it's the fear of public speaking, which, as you can, that one's not one of mine. I know it happens to be a lot of other people's. I've had conversations, and people have told me that they'd rather die than actually stand up in front of a group of people. And so, guess what? Death and dying is also up there on that list. And so are snakes. I may fall in that category too. So there's all of these different fears out there, things that people are afraid of. And this will all make sense in a minute, but you're going to see where my brain goes sometimes. So I was like, what is a fear? What, what, what is a fear? So I looked that one up too. I love Google by the way. Um, and Webster's dictionary defines a fear as a strong emotion caused by anticipation or awareness of danger. So basically it is some sort of physical response to keep, it helps to keep us safe. It's a way that we're wired that helps to keep us safe okay so that makes a lot of sense but then I got to thinking to my fear of heights is not something that keeps me up at night I don't think your fear of spiders is what wakes you up at 3 a.m. questioning all the things. Am I right? Yeah, probably so. But does that mean that it's not a fear? No. The things that are keeping us up in the middle of the night are things like fear of failure or fear of loneliness or fear of change or inadequacy or judgment or rejection and I think the list could go on and on and you have yours, whatever it may be. These are still real fears, but these fears are caused by a belief system. Something that we've heard, felt, or otherwise. It's not a reaction to danger. It's coming from someplace internal. So how do you combat these fears then? I know how to combat fear of heights, right? I just don't go anywhere where it's tall. That's easy. You can stay away from spiders. Those are easy things that you can avoid. But how do you combat the things that are waking you up at 3 a.m.? What do you do? Again, I googled it. What's the opposite of fears? It's something called faith. The definition of faith is a complete trust or confidence in someone or something. And the writers and Hebrews actually state that having faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance of what we do not see. And that sounds like a really spectacular place to live. Confident in what I hope for, assured in what I do not see, and I wish I could stand before you and tell you that's exactly where I live my life. But I'd be lying. And you know, that's kind of looked down upon in church. So I'll be completely honest. I wish I had that faith every single day. But you know, I'm just like everybody else. I struggle with all these things that happen in my head. I'm a people pleaser. So lo and behold, I'm always afraid. Have I made somebody mad? Or are they judging me? Or am I truly equipped to do what it is that I do? And so the thing about that, though, is that those fears and those things that swirl around in my head, they don't discount the faith that I do have. Because the thing to remember here is, is that when you're afraid, you can still have faith. Because faith isn't the absence of fear, but it's trusting God in the face of it. So your faith is not going to happen without fear. Because what we're called to do then is to not allow this fear to take over, but to learn to trust and lean in to God. And in doing so, our faith starts to become bigger than our fears. So today I want to jump into Mark 5. So I am going backwards from where Nate was. It's just the way I do things. I can't follow along in his pattern. I have to do it my way, right? So I'm going to jump over to Mark chapter 5. We're going to start in verse 21 through 24. I'm going to read those to you, but if you want to grab your Bibles, you guys can follow along. I'm going to do a great deal of probably summarizing as we continue through, just because this is actually a long passage. So 5, 21 through 24, and a great crowd followed him and thronged about him. So here we meet Jairus, who is a ruler in the synagogue. An important point to kind of make here is that this doesn't mean he's a religious leader. He's not exactly a Pharisee or Sadducee. What he is is probably equivalent to one of our elders. He actively takes place in what happens inside of the synagogue. He helps to take care of the building. He's going to be well established in his community. He'll be well thought of in his community and respected. And here he stands with a daughter who is dying. The word that's used here is death is imminent. Like this isn't a long, drawn out process. She's probably got hours to live is what it's referring to here. And so he is coming to Jesus at this moment in his life. And I think back to what are the fears that he had before he took those steps. What fears were going through his brain like what goes through ours. And you can only imagine as a leader in the community. He's possibly fearing loss of status in the community. Or fearing the fact that he's going to lose respect. The other one too is that currently the religious community was not too keen on Jesus, right? They're still not sure who he is at this point. He's out teaching, he's out healing, he's out doing all of the things. He's drawing large crowds everywhere he goes. People aren't quite sure who he is, but the religious community had taken note, and they weren't real happy with him. And so for Jairus to step out, there's a risk, right, of him losing his status completely inside of the religious community. But he does it anyway, right? And Jesus' response to him, which I absolutely love, is he doesn't say a word. Jairus is at his feet and he says, come heal my daughter. And all Jesus does is follow Jairus to his house. Doesn't call him out. Doesn't make a big deal out of it. Just follows him. And so they head off to his house. And if we continue on in scripture, and I'm not going to read this, this is part of the areas where I'm going to kind of summarize things. We meet, they, as they're headed in this large crowd of people on their way to Jairus' house, they come across a woman who is physically ill. She has, scripture states that she's been bleeding for 12 years. She has spent all of her money and all of her resources trying to find a cure. Very unsuccessful. And at this point in time, she's actually worse off than what she was when it started. So she's going to be physically weak. She is an outcast in her community. But she has a belief in her head that if she can only get to Jesus and if she can only touch his garment, she just knows that he can heal her. But what does it take for her to get to him? Because can you imagine what's going through her brain? First of all, she's physically weak. So there has to be this fear of what happens if I don't make it? What happens if I can't get to him through all of these people? I'm going to be like this for the rest of my life. Like my last shot at healing. There's also, I said before, she's an outcast. The thing here is that Jewish ceremonial law stated that she was unclean because she had been bleeding. And by being unclean, that meant that anything or anyone that she touched, she made unclean also. And then there's a whole litany of things that must be done to make that person or that thing clean again. So people avoided her. She had no contacts. She was not allowed in the synagogue at all. We don't know, according to scripture, if she even had a family. But if she did have a family, she would not have been with them. She would have been secluded from them. So I can't even imagine how this woman felt. There was no human touch for 12 years. No one looking at her and making contacts for fear of them becoming unclean. So she makes a choice and she chooses to go to Jesus. Both Jairus and this woman's example to us are huge. That when life gets hard, we can either give in to our fears or we can step forward in faith. Both these people in the midst of places of desperation, places of being like their life was just super hard. They made a conscious choice to choose faith over fear. And I promise you, and I know this in my life, sometimes it's easier to give in to the fear. It's just easier. Because when life's hard, those voices in the head get louder and louder, and sometimes it's just easier to give into that. The step of faith is the hard part, but it's in that hard that we grow and that our faith continues to grow as well. 20, 25 years ago, there was a leadership team inside of a large church in Raleigh. A very large, successful church in Raleigh. There was a lot of things happening inside of this church at this period of time. It was successful, yes, but internally there was stuff going on. Stuff with the denomination people weren't sure There were some decisions that were being made by the large denomination that the leadership team was unsure of There's lots of prayer happening and so on and so forth there was a decision that eventually was made after much prayer except that the leadership team was going to step away from the church and start their own church. They had fears, as you can only imagine. It's a large church in a large area, well-known, well-respected, and here is a group that says, we're going to leave. So there's a chance for loss of reputation. They also know that there's a chance that there's going to be some hurt that happens as they make this decision to pull away. There's lots of places of fear. They also are walking away from a steady paycheck in a way that they're taking care of their families. But they stepped out. They did it. And then they got together, they prayed, they did all their things. They found a little outdoor pavilion to hold a first worship service to see what would happen. And lo and behold, they got there that morning, they set up their little PA system, they put out some chairs, and they waited. And God did his thing. Because over the hill came car after car after car. And all of a sudden, all of the chairs are full. And the next thing you know is there's a full hill of people sitting in the grass. And I was one of them. And I had my husband, my sweet husband was with me. And Zach was there as well as a two-month-old and a car carrier. And we And so just like Jairus and just like the woman, they followed Jesus. They didn't give in, and they kept moving forward. And just like what happened with Grace, the same thing happens with Jairus and with this woman. And Jesus' response to their faith is immeasurably more than they could have ever asked or imagined. Because in the story of the woman, she now reaches out and she touches Jesus' cloak and she is immediately healed, but Jesus isn't done with her. He knows that she's physically healed. Her bleeding has stopped and she's now physically healed, but he knows she's not healed mentally or physically or mentally or emotionally yet. And that's where he has to take her. So in the middle of this crowd that's pushing all around him, he stops and he says, who touched my garments? Okay. There's a lot of people touching your garments, Jesus. Lots of people. But that wasn't for anybody but that woman. And so many times I've read that passage and I kind of, in my head, I heard Jesus like it was an accusation. Like he kind of wheeled around and was like, who touched me? But really, it was the opposite. It was him reaching out with an invitation. He's like, who touched my garments? He's calling to her to come to him, not to embarrass her, but to continue her healing. And that's what she does. She comes forward. She comes forward in fear and in trembling, and she falls at Jesus's feet. And scripture tells us that she tells the whole truth. This is her whole story. She lays out the good, the bad, the ugly, all of the things from the last 12 years, all of the things that she tried to do to fix herself and was very unsuccessful. All of her pain, all of her suffering, all of it, she laid at his feet. When was the last time any of us laid it all at Jesus's feet? When was the last time we followed her example with whatever our circumstance, whatever it is that has us, and we just laid it at his feet and said, this is my story. This is where I am. This is what hurts. This is where I'm mad. This is where I don't understand. This is what I've tried to do on my own. And hey, I'm sorry. When was the last time any of us took the time to do that? When did we actually give it all up? And you can see here the example that Jesus gives and how he's going to respond because he looks at her and he says, daughter. It's such a term of endearment. And he tells her, your face has healed you. Go in peace and be free of this disease. So those words right there and this interaction with Jesus, what he's now officially done is not only did he heal her physically, but by calling her out, he just healed her in her social status. He just said to everybody that's standing around, she's clean. She can come back to you. So after 12 years, she can now, if she had a family, she can go back to her family. She can go back to the synagogue. She's now reunited with her community. And lastly, I think this is an example to Jairus. Because so often God uses our circumstances and our stories to encourage others. Because remember at this point in time, Jairus is still here. He's not mentioned right now, but he's still here. He's standing there. Jesus has led him to this spot and then stopped it. And can you imagine Jairus at this moment? You have a child who's on the verge of death. You were on your way with your healer. You knew she was about to be healed. And all of a sudden it stops while the healer goes off to take care of somebody else. What goes on in my head is Jairus is like pacing. Like he's got to be like, wait, hey Jesus, like what about me? Don't forgive me. My daughter's the one that's dying. I know she's sick. Well, you can come back. We gotta go. Like, time is urgent here. We need to go. And he's wringing his hands and he's pacing and he's doing all of the things. And yet Jesus is still focused straight in on this woman. And the wait. Jesus, you brought me here and now you're going to make me wait. I don't understand. And so what do we do in these waiting moments? When we know Jesus has brought us to this place, I'm here because you brought me here. Why am I sitting and spinning? And what's happening? Where are you in this moment? And so if we go back to grace, I can say that in hindsight, it's 2020. Remember that? This was a long time ago, but I can look back on what happened with grace and say, in our waiting, it was not our finest hour. The church itself, after that first meeting, took off. It was thriving. We had a building. We had thriving ministries. We were well-known and respected inside of the community. I think at the height of all things, there were five services a weekend. We actually had to take over more space because we were like outgrowing the space that we were in. And it was a lot of space. Let's just say that. There was a lot happening inside of the life of the church. It was fantastic. But somewhere in there, there's a but, right? There's always a but. Because somewhere in there, we, I don't know, we started to lose some focus, maybe. Maybe we got a little too big for our britches. I'm not sure. But our leadership started, and this is my opinion here, but I felt like there was a place of leadership making decisions out of fear and not out of faith, which will guide a church and it will guide all of us in not the best path. And as we continue to have these decisions being made and things happening, we had turnovers in leadership. We had turnovers in staff. We had members that were, and they were members back then. We had members that were leaving. We had, and of course, as members leave, finances shrink. We still had all of this property and all of these bills to pay and money is not quite what it used to be. So there was a whole lot of fear that came into our world and we became so much more focused on our circumstances and how to fix our circumstances. We got to a point where we lost another senior pastor. We were drowning in debt. The staff, by this point in time, I'm on staff. The staff was mentally and physically and in some instances spiritually just exhausted from trying to hold it all together. And I promise you there were some Sundays that we just didn't know if we had it in us to do another Sunday. And that also was another Sunday not only physically, but did we have the money to have the lights on? And so as I look back on it now and I look back in these moments of the wait, right? We were waiting on God's plan for grace. We were waiting to see what God was calling us into because he had led us there. There is no doubt in my mind that we were right where we were supposed to be. But it also felt at this moment like he wasn't there anymore. And we acted like that. We acted like that out of that place of fear. But the thing is, thankfully, we serve a very faithful and loving God. He hadn't abandoned us to ourselves. And just if you check back into where Jairus is and this feeling like he's been abandoned. Lord, you brought me here. I don't know why we're still here. And while he's standing there, his worst fear is imagined. A messenger from his house arrives and he looks at Jairus and says, your daughter has died. And the next words out of his mouth are, basically, don't bother the teacher anymore. Because remember, he had come to Jesus to heal his child. Well, your child is now passed away. There's no healing needed. So release him, come home. And this is where I say, Jesus doesn't abandon us in those moments of our waiting in those moments of our worst fears ever. And I imagine what happened next. And this is how I pictured it, and you all may picture it different, but this is me, is that Jesus looked at Jairus and he took Jairus' face in his hands and he said to him, do not be afraid, just believe. And at that moment, I also read that and went, excuse me, that's easier said than done. But remember, Jairus has just witnessed this miraculous healing of this woman. He's just witnessed all that Jesus did after he physically healed her. And he came somehow knowing that Jesus could do something for him, right? So somewhere in his head, he knows that Jesus is his answer. And all Jesus says to him is choose me. That's all you have to do is choose me. Because you get to choose who you listen to. You get to choose if you listen to fear and doubt or if you listen to Jesus. It's your choice. It's our choice. And I promise you, every time I step up on this stage, I have to choose Jesus in order to drown out all the voices in my head. No judgment on that one, please. But there's a lot, there's a lot in my head that tells me, you know, things like you're not equipped. You don't have anything to say that these people want to hear. Who do you think you are that says that you can get up there and stand and speak? Like those are the voices. Those are the things that are in my head. But I have Jesus take my little face too. And he says, don't be afraid. Just believe. Choose me. And in this story with Jairus, that's exactly what he did. He didn't listen. He chose Jesus. They turned and they went to his house. And as in the end of the story, you can read it for yourself, but they go to his house and his daughter has died. But Jesus says, nah, she's asleep. Come on inside. Takes takes the parents in takes a couple of disciples and he grabs hold of the daughter's hands and he tells her to arise and to walk and guess what that's exactly what she did she stood up she walked Jairus came to Jesus to heal his daughter. And in the end though, his faith was tested. He was pushed into those extra hard places that said, you got to wait a minute to get your healing. You got to hold on with me and choose me. Don't listen to the other stuff because guess what? I've got you and I'm going to make this right. And lo and behold, by choosing Jesus, that's exactly what happened. Because if he had listened to the faith and his fear and his doubt, and he had just gone home, he would have lost his daughter. But instead, she's very much alive. So choose me. You come to this place where your worst fear is realized. And so somewhere right around 2016, 2017, Grace Community Church was at that place. We were at our worst moment. We had, yeah, we were in a bad place. Let's just put it that way. And I would say we were limping along, but, and I'm going to put the but in here, because again, there's a switch. What was left of Grace Community Church in 2017 was a core group of people who loved each other, who loved Jesus and who loved this little church. That's what was here still. And because of that and because of their want and desire, you begin to see us come out of the wait and you begin to see where, hey, Jesus has been with us the whole time, but where he starts to make his move. Because in 2017, I believe too, we had been pruned. We have our core group of people. We had surrendered it all. We were no longer the big cool church on the block. We were just this little peeled back tiny church who, mind you, was selling off stuff all the time. We were, that's where we were. We were in a bad place, but we gave it up. We quit trying to fix it. We quit being afraid all the time. And somewhere in there, something happened. We were gifted this building as much as we all have things to say about this building currently. In 2017, this building, oh, it was beautiful because it took our expenses and cut them dramatically. We could now focus on getting ourselves out of this horrible debt that we were in. Now, we still don't have a lead pastor at this point in time. And so our leadership teams, our elders are coming together saying it's probably time that we find somebody to lead this little pack of ragamuffins, for lack of a better word. And so the search begins. Now, the other thing just to mention is for an experienced lead pastor, we did not have a pretty resume and we didn't look really good. It's not someplace that they were just clawing to become a part of. So we had to step out in faith and take a chance. And that's what we did. Because remember, we're coming from a place of faith and not fear. And we hired a 36-year-old associate pastor who had zero experience leading a church. And his name is Nate, by the way. But the thing was, is that Jesus knew that Nate was the person for this church. And so he put him in place. And from that point in time on, we continued to walk this path of faith. You watched as our teams got healthier. You watched as we were no longer Grace Community Church and we became Grace Raleigh. We began to find our identity and who it was that God was calling us to be as a community, as a body, and then who we are to be to those around us in our community. You began to see the health. Our partners are all here and part of what it is that's happening inside of Grace. And guess what? These decisions are being made now. We have no more debt. We've actually purchased land. We've gone ahead and we've designed a future building. We have asked you as partners to come alongside us and where we believe that it is that God is leading us in our next step of obedience. And that's to build this building. And I stand before you today and I honestly believe that we as a church stand in our Jairus moment. That moment where God is looking at us and holding us by the face and saying, do not be afraid, just believe. This is the path that I have called Grace Community, Grace Community, sorry. This is the path I have called Grace Raleigh to take. Step out in faith with me. I've got you. And so I ask, what are you as the partners of grace believing for our sweet little church? Are you believing that our next step of obedience is to build this building? And if you truly believe that that is your next step of obedience, what are you doing to walk in it? And so as we close this morning, I will also say to you too, what fears do you have that keep you from all that God has for you? What is it that holds you back from realizing what it is that he has in store for you, the plan that he has as you take your next step of obedience? What do you need to lay at his feet? And what do you need to do to clear your brain, your mind of the fears and the doubts and choose him? Will you pray with me? Lord Jesus, thank you. Thank you for these examples of people who trust you, who love you, who choose you. Thank you for the example that they give us of doing it scared. Those next steps of obedience are not easy. The next steps of obedience are scary. But we know that you've got us. If you brought us here, you're going to walk with us through it. So thank you for loving us. Thank you for being faithful to us. And thank you for loving this little church that you call Grace Raleigh. And Lord, we love you. And it's in your name we pray. Amen.